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And the winner is…

Good for Ang Lee. Too bad there wasn’t any martial arts in the film…

Ang Lee’s “Lust” gallops away with 7 Golden Horses
Sat Dec 8, 2007 10:22pm IST
By Doug Young

TAIPEI (Reuters) - Ang Lee’s steamy “Lust, Caution” trotted off as the big winner on Saturday at the 2007 Golden Horse awards, the most coveted Chinese-language film prizes, picking up seven honours including best director and best film.

Despite its low profile in the West, the Golden Horse is a spectacular occasion for the Chinese-speaking world, with top talent from Taiwan, Hong Kong and China turning out each year for the red-carpet event in Taipei.

“Lust, Caution,” the favourite going into the star-studded event, also helped Lee win the award for outstanding Taiwanese filmmaker of the year.

“This is for the lack of respect that Taiwan has gotten in the past,” Lee said backstage, after getting the outstanding Taiwanese filmmmaker award. “My point of view, my style are all from Taiwan. So I’m very much representing Taiwan.”

“Lust” also won best leading actor honours for Hong Kong star Tony Leung Chiu Wei.

“Lust,” Lee’s most prominent Chinese-language film since “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon”, won the Golden Lion at the Venice film festival, and had the advantage of much stronger publicity than its rivals.

The awards feature mostly films from Taiwan and Hong Kong. In addition to Lee and Leung, luminaries on this year’s list included Hong Kong film star Aaron Kwok and China-born Joan Chen, who burst on to the movie scene in Bernardo Bertolucci’s “The Last Emperor” in 1987.

Chen returned to the limelight at this year’s Golden Horses, picking up the best leading actress award for her role in “The Home Song Stories”.

Pop star Jay Chou’s directorial debut “Secret” also did well, winning awards for best original song and visual effects, as well as the outstanding Taiwanese film of the year.

This year’s show was also marked by controversy when two mainland Chinese films “Tuya’s Marriage” and “Blind Mountain”, were submitted by film makers, only to be forced to withdraw later.

China, which has claimed sovereignty over self-ruled Taiwan since the end of the Chinese civil war in 1949, doesn’t allow its movies to compete, though co-productions between Chinese and foreign houses are allowed.

Cultural exchanges have increased across the Taiwan Strait in the last decade, but political relations have been icy during the seven-year tenure of President Chen Shui-bian, whose Democratic Progressive Party favours independence.

“Lust, Caution,” about a Chinese woman tasked with killing a Japanese collaborator in Shanghai during World War Two, has also been the subject of controversy, with some decrying it for being too long and others critical of its graphic sex scenes.

The film drew additional attention when China said it would cut some scenes before screening it there.

Despite its success to date, Taiwan was prohibited from submitting “Lust” for the Academy Awards foreign film category after the Academy ruled its cast was too international.

Lee said he was not optimistic about the film’s chances in the next year’s other Academy Award categories, as the film has not been very well received in the United States, in part due to its explicit sexual content, resulting in an adults-only rating.

i think this film woud’ve sucked if one ****ing kick was thrown. on the other hand i would’ve liked to see more action and less of tony’s ball sack.

I still haven’t seen this…

… but for some reason, this article is the first one that makes me want to see it.

Asians love ‘Lust’; Yanks cautious
Ang Lee film grossed $16.8 million in China
By PATRICK FRATER
HONG KONG – Ang Lee’s “Lust, Caution” is an almost perfect example of a cultural divide.

So far, the Chinese-language film has grossed $4.4 million in North America, while overseas it’s scooped up 10 times that amount: a lusty $44 million, with much of it coming from Asia.

Asians went gaga over the film’s mix of hanky-panky and politics. But the sex was not enough to lure Americans, perhaps because the sexual grapplers were speaking Chinese in a 157-minute movie.

Four decades ago, the sex-centric “I Am Curious (Yellow)” was also subtitled and grossed big in the U.S. “Lust” couldn’t match that feat, but it helped break down the stigma of NC-17 in the U.S.: Despite conventional wisdom, it was booked by major chains and most newspapers had no trouble carrying the ads.

Speaking of the contrasting cultural – and box office – reactions to his film, director Lee says, “I didn’t imagine that the difference was so big.”

In Hong Kong it’s been in the B.O. top 10 for 82 days and has grossed $6.2 million. In Taiwan, it broke box office records and became one of the country’s biggest grossers of all time, in addition to winning nearly all the silverware at the recent Golden Horse kudosfest.

In China its cume since the Nov. 1 release stands at $16.8 million, making it the fifth- highest grosser of the year and the top Chinese-language movie to date (though it may lose that crown to “The Warlords”).

If Lee and co-writer James Schamus could not quite bridge the width of the Pacific Ocean, they united auds in Greater China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Lee says he was surprised by how mainland Chinese auds lapped up the version from which the three major sex scenes were virtually eliminated at the behest of the censor.

“I’ve never before known a Chinese movie that’s well liked in all three major parts of China,” Lee says.

The film may not have been the biggest grosser in China, but it is surely the most discussed pic of the year. There was endless talk about the seven minutes of sex scenes that were eventually sliced by director Lee in collaboration with the censors. As a bonus, Chinese medics fueled interest in the pic by warning that the sex scenes should not be copied by ordinary members of the public.

And the film’s steamy sex scenes sparked a public debate – a rarity in China – about the country’s one-certificate-fits-all rating system.

Many Chinese crossed the border to Hong Kong where they could watch the uncensored movie. Returning home, they stirred the word of mouth in China.

While the film was not immune from disc and online piracy, it was a big hit nonetheless. The film won the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival, so Lee was treated as a national hero in both Taiwan, where he was born, and in China – ironic, since his previous “Brokeback Mountain” was not even allowed a Chinese release. And “Lust” originally looked like it might not get an outing either unless up to half an hour was cut.

The film is the first major one to deal with a period in history that many Asians are curious about: The Japanese occupation of China during World War II.

The political content has set leftists against moderates, been branded as a “traitor movie” and seen students petition the Ministry of Culture for a ban on the grounds that it is sympathetic to Japanese colonialism. Others said it did a disservice to virtuous Chinese women.

The China release was pushed back from late September until November when the political sensitivities of the Communist Party Congress would have dissipated.

The pic’s North American box office is respectable for a foreign-language film, but a big drop from Lee’s previous “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” and “Brokeback Mountain.”

In hindsight, it’s clear that the $100 million U.S. perf for “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” is the exception, not the norm for foreign-language releases. “It’s not very audience-friendly for a market like the U.S. It’s not their subject matter,” Lee admitted at the Venice film festival.

In fleshing out Eileen Chang’s novella, co-scripters Lee and Schamus sought to balance Western need for narrative and Asian preference for mood and character.

“Even the most favorable reviews (in the U.S.) say the movie is too slow,” Lee says. “But from the Chinese audience, the biggest complaint was that it happened too quick. The historical background that is built into our genes is different. American people have never been occupied. The deep sadness and sentimentality, the cultural background that relates to melodrama that (Chinese) grew up with and propaganda…”

When the MPAA slapped its NC-17 rating on the film, the people at Focus and the filmmakers were not surprised: They had made and edited the film with the sense that this was going to be its rating.

“Before we released the film, the NC-17 was a topic of conversation, but it became a non-issue as it rolled across the country,” says Jack Foley, Focus prez of theatrical distribution.

“It redefined NC-17, which needed an appropriate definition – it was an abused rating,” says Foley. “Just as ‘Brokeback Mountain’ put a different perspective on how America deals with the subject of ****sexuality in film, ‘Lust, Caution’ brought about an understanding of what NC-17 can mean and should mean.”

Major circuits like Regal and AMC had no issue with booking the film, Foley says. “They were conscious of what they were getting into and they were unafraid,” he says.

Both Focus and the circuits made sure it was booked into appropriate theaters – i.e., the right cities, the right neighborhoods.

Debunking conventional wisdom, most newspapers had no issue with accepting NC-17 ads, except for Salt Lake City. “The biggest problem the film faced was its running time. It restricted the film to one, maybe two good shows a day,” says Foley.

“Lust” was conceived as a partnership between East and West, mixing coin from River Road and Focus Features in the U.S. with that of Hai Sheng of China and Edko Films of Hong Kong. It was also Lee’s 10th collaboration with Schamus.

Just a few days ago, Lee confessed that he trimmed and tweaked the mainland Chinese version for political reasons too. He changed some of the dialogue of Wei Tang’s character near the end in order to make her intentions less ambiguous and more patriotic. “Go quickly,” for instance became, “Let’s go.”

That’s a degree of subtlety so fine that it would have been lost on many abroad. But Lee explained to an audience in Taipei last week: “The Chinese have thousands of years of experience in the craft of subtle wording and reading between the lines.”

so Gene

have you seen it yet?

so I bought the 2 versions of the movies.

the abridged one without violence and sex scenes.

and the unabridged one.

overall, it is ok.

me familar with the spy stories during WWII.

for the most part, the plots were convincing enough.

The dude worked for Japanese intelligence and Wang Jin Wei government in Nan King. He was supposed to be the bad guy. Somehow it was protrayed as the good guy and that unsettled many audience in China.

some controversy.

Wang government actually ran nan king and shang hai well during WWII. He had a good financial/economic plan.

While Chung King government was bombed all the time and low on resources and finance.

While Yan An communists enjoyed a good agricultural economy.

True, if you work for Japanese and the puppet regime, you are a traitor and sell out.

However, the government did provide some security and stability among Chinese populace within Japanese occupied China.

Both nan king and shang hai were full of all kinds of spies, nationalist, communist, japanese, CIA what have you.

the main thing is that Lee Ang tried to tell a story based on (focusing on) the maturing and growing up college girl.

I dun like the ending that both the girl and her boy friend were shot in the end. It seemed that the bad guy prevailed.

the ladies playing ma jong scenes and gossiping and that is 100% real life.

:smiley:

Ouch! You just hit me in the eye with a major spoiler at the end of that post.

[quote=spj;870633]so I Bought The 2 Versions Of The Movies.

The Abridged One Without Violence And Sex Scenes.

And The Unabridged One.

Overall, It Is Ok.

Me Familar With The Spy Stories During Wwii.

For The Most Part, The Plots Were Convincing Enough.

The Dude Worked For Japanese Intelligence And Wang Jin Wei Government In Nan King. He Was Supposed To Be The Bad Guy. Somehow It Was Protrayed As The Good Guy And That Unsettled Many Audience In China.

Some Controversy.

Wang Government Actually Ran Nan King And Shang Hai Well During Wwii. He Had A Good Financial/economic Plan.

While Chung King Government Was Bombed All The Time And Low On Resources And Finance.

While Yan An Communists Enjoyed A Good Agricultural Economy.

True, If You Work For Japanese And The Puppet Regime, You Are A Traitor And Sell Out.

However, The Government Did Provide Some Security And Stability Among Chinese Populace Within Japanese Occupied China.

Both Nan King And Shang Hai Were Full Of All Kinds Of Spies, Nationalist, Communist, Japanese, Cia What Have You.

The Main Thing Is That Lee Ang Tried To Tell A Story Based On (focusing On) The Maturing And Growing Up College Girl.

I Dun Like The Ending That Both The Girl And Her Boy Friend Were Shot In The End. It Seemed That The Bad Guy Prevailed.

The Ladies Playing Ma Jong Scenes And Gossiping And That Is 100% Real Life.

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Dude Talk About Spoiler Alert ****. People Still Haven’t Seen This Film Yet. I’ve Seen It And Maybe A Few Others

OOPs.

I thought everyone already seen the movie.

now that the cat is out of the bag.

  1. Young college people have plays to raise money for war efforts. They joined agency etc For a greater cause or greater justice, they died. They died the right way. Just like so many young people at the time. Either joined the army to fight on the battlefields, or do something helpful for their country.

  2. Liang followed the Wang government and had to work against his own former colleages and schoolmates in KMT intelligence agency.

Liang could not even keep his favorite or most cherished/loved woman/pet. Liang could only remember her with his memory.

Liang had many bloods on his hands and chagrins. These are all eating away his conscience or soul.—

All are victims of war.

Like so many people at the time, we all lose something. Your life, your home, your loved ones---- your SOUL etc

This is why people protesting that Lee Ang was protraying Liang as a victim or good dude in the movie.

as a serious artist or movie maker/story teller.

sometimes, we have to say what life actually is. or tell a story as what it is.

The movies was based on true people and their life story.

There are many twists and turns in the minds or psychology of all the people involved.

sometimes, the journey or the trip is more fun/important than the destination/end.

;):smiley:

what I was trying to say is that

go watch the movie.

It is a mission impossible.

see how lee ang tell you the story.

:slight_smile:

have you seen it yet?

Nope. I got so many bad reviews from friends that it keeps getting bumped down on my viewing list. I know, as an Asian cinemaphile, I really should see it. But I have a copy of Dragon Dynasty’s Heroes of the East waiting for me still unwatched, along with a ton of others in the queue… :o

on the sex scenes

my brothers are saying they sucks or not tasteful.

I said that well sex is just sex so much so violence is violence.

it is what it is.

however, we all like this part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=towfXZhn9Xo

since the story happened in 1938.

this is a popular song in the 30’.

if any thing has to be changed.

I say the title.

Pink mission. quiet mission, especial mission, assasination etc.

Lust is ok. no need to caution or forbidding. Lust caution meaning Liang should concentrate on his “job” which is murdering agents and interrogating agents from the other side. Lust would kill him.

An affection or love affair may be is what he needed to quiet his mind or soothe his soul among all the madness of killing his own countryman?

The title should focus on the girl that did the sacrifice and pretend to love a man she hated most. and at critical moment, she decided to save the dude. fall in love with enemy? or understanding another wounded soul? and finally she died without regrets along with her true love college friend?

Nobody expected the mission to be successful. They are all willing to try and die for a greater cause. If ending of one man’s (Liang) life may save many?

I hold the same respect for her.

so much so for Jing Ke the swordsman tried and failed to assasinate Qin first emperor.

They both are generous enough to give up their lives for a greater cause.

In short, I like the movie. Well, my brother said I am a big sucker/fan for agent and spy story anyway.

:D;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3W2KCtbds

Jing Ke hid the sword inside a map.

When he showed the qin shi huang the map, the sword came out.

ready to attempt a mission impossible.

the emperor and his assasin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9clCkUan7s&feature=related

:(:cool:

Lust / Caution bored me to tears. I’d read good reviews. I forgot that Ang Lee paces his films roughly to coincide with the passing of geological epochs.