# Original Leung Jan Wing Chun **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [March 22, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368 "2014-03-22T05:18:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tc101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@tc101](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/tc101)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 11:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/21 "2014-03-25T11:19:34Z")
[QUOTE=KPM;1263906]Yes, that or simply note that the story is a theory that is subject to change as more things come to light. Its natural to look for answers to questions that don’t have very clear answers. As long as the theories don’t get sold as the “truth.”[/QUOTE] You really do not see what is so very wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![KPM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@KPM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KPM)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/22 "2014-03-25T15:47:03Z")
[QUOTE=tc101;1263939]You really do not see what is so very wrong with that?[/QUOTE] No. Why don’t you enlighten us? A theory is formulated to explain how known evidence fits together and may evolve as data is collected. This happens in historical/sociological research. Anthropologists do this all the time. ---
**Author:** ![tc101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@tc101](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/tc101)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/23 "2014-03-25T20:18:54Z")
[QUOTE=KPM;1263950]No. Why don’t you enlighten us? A theory is formulated to explain how known evidence fits together and may evolve as data is collected. This happens in historical/sociological research. Anthropologists do this all the time.[/QUOTE] They are not doing what you guys are doing. Even your so called known evidence is mostly assumptions and guess work and the reasoning is loose. ---
**Author:** ![KPM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@KPM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KPM)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/24 "2014-03-26T00:17:29Z")
[QUOTE=tc101;1263960]They are not doing what you guys are doing. Even your so called known evidence is mostly assumptions and guess work and the reasoning is loose.[/QUOTE] Whatever dude. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Firehawk4](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Firehawk4)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/25 "2014-03-26T03:15:03Z")
This Article says Leung Jan learned from Pao Fa Lien Lao Dat Sang [http://wingchunkuen.me/tag/pao-fa-lien-wing-chun-kuen/](http://wingchunkuen.me/tag/pao-fa-lien-wing-chun-kuen/) ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/26 "2014-03-26T04:18:54Z")
I also found these two articles interesting, one talks about the wing chun bagua stepping method, and the other about the wing chun team loosing in 1969 [http://wingchunkuen.me/2013/06/18/foshan-wing-chun-derek-frearson/#more-1073](http://wingchunkuen.me/2013/06/18/foshan-wing-chun-derek-frearson/#more-1073) [http://wingchunkuen.me/2013/01/04/100-years-of-yipm-man-emin-boztepe/](http://wingchunkuen.me/2013/01/04/100-years-of-yipm-man-emin-boztepe/) ---
**Author:** ![KPM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@KPM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KPM)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 10:37am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/27 "2014-03-26T10:37:48Z")
[QUOTE=Firehawk4;1263974][http://wingchunkuen.me/tag/pao-fa-lien-wing-chun-kuen/[/QUOTE]](http://wingchunkuen.me/tag/pao-fa-lien-wing-chun-kuen/%5B/QUOTE%5D) I would take that whole thing with a big dose of skepticism! After all, right at the beginning they state that all Wing Chun lineages trace back to Leung Jan. Well, Yuen Kay Shan certainly doesn’t! And his style is well-known in China and Hong Kong! This is almost entirely a promotional piece. If you are trying to promote your style of Pao Fao Lien, what better way than to say that its founder taught the famous Leung Jan! ---
**Author:** ![HybridWarrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85f322/32.png) [@HybridWarrior](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/HybridWarrior)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 11:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/28 "2014-03-26T11:01:00Z")
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1263981]the wing chun bagua stepping method[/QUOTE] ??? Did Yip Man know/teach other kung fu alongside his wing chun? ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Firehawk4](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Firehawk4)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/29 "2014-03-26T20:07:00Z")
Kpm I am not promoting Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun i dont even know this system i wish i did though . I guess a person would have to go to Hong Kong to learn it or maybe Mainland China if you could find it there in Foshan . ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/30 "2014-03-26T20:47:39Z")
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1263989]??? Did Yip Man know/teach other kung fu alongside his wing chun?[/QUOTE] no, wing chun already have the bagua steps, but apparently this aspect of the system was only taught in Foshan and not in Hong Kong according to the article. [QUOTE=Firehawk4;1264012]I am not promoting Pao Fa Lien Wing Chun i dont even know this system i wish i did though . I guess a person would have to go to Hong Kong to learn it or maybe Mainland China if you could find it there in Foshan .[/QUOTE] I don’t think Keith was referring to you, he was referring to the writer of the article. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Eric\_H](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Eric_H)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/31 "2014-03-26T20:53:50Z")
[QUOTE=HybridWarrior;1263989]??? Did Yip Man know/teach other kung fu alongside his wing chun?[/QUOTE] Apparently, it’s not like the stepping from the martial art Bagua, just a common name. YM trained some Chi Sim stuff at one point, but the depth of which and with who is up for debate. ---
**Author:** ![HybridWarrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85f322/32.png) [@HybridWarrior](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/HybridWarrior)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/32 "2014-03-26T21:00:32Z")
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1264016]no, wing chun already have the bagua steps, but apparently this aspect of the system was only taught in Foshan and not in Hong Kong according to the article[/QUOTE] Excellent. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![HybridWarrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85f322/32.png) [@HybridWarrior](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/HybridWarrior)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/33 "2014-03-26T21:01:08Z")
[QUOTE=Eric\_H;1264017]Apparently, it’s not like the stepping from the martial art Bagua, just a common name. YM trained some Chi Sim stuff at one point, but the depth of which and with who is up for debate.[/QUOTE] Interesting, thx for the feedback ---
**Author:** ![KPM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@KPM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KPM)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/34 "2014-03-27T00:39:41Z")
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1264016]I don’t think Keith was referring to you, he was referring to the writer of the article.[/QUOTE] Yes, Navin is right. I wasn’t referring to you Firehawk. Thanks for posting the links to the videos. Its always interesting to see other styles of Wing Chun! ---
**Author:** ![PalmStriker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/palmstriker/32/969_2.png) [@PalmStriker](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PalmStriker)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/35 "2014-03-28T04:30:29Z")
🙂 BACK on TRACK: [http://www.wingchunillustrated.com/2013/04/16/kulo-wing-chun/](http://www.wingchunillustrated.com/2013/04/16/kulo-wing-chun/) ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Firehawk4](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Firehawk4)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/36 "2014-03-28T05:07:08Z")
Hi Palmstriker Interesting that the article says that Wong Wah Sam was Leung Jans Sisters Son does this mean Leung Jan had a sister ? I read another article that said Leung Jan had a brother named Leung Wa Nam i think that was his name . ---
**Author:** ![Firehawk4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Firehawk4](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Firehawk4)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368/37 "2014-03-28T05:09:47Z")
The brothers name was Leung Dak Nam . [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/original-leung-jan-wing-chun/56368.md?page=1)