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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073470]I’m sorry, were we talking about me? I’m fine with my education, it got me a good job and I make good bank and have a tidy portfolio. :)[/QUOTE]

Those who belittle others often do it due to insecurity. Why can’t you just acknowledge the man’s achievement?

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073470]Yeah, he “vacationed” or rather hid from responsibility for some 33% of his first term as president! And close to that in the second term. He was a crap president.[/QUOTE]

I notice you didn’t mention the cost of said vacations. It’s laughable to see the guy who ran against his predecessor’s spending outpsending him at every turn.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073470]yeah, CLinton in haiti was a real whorish thing to do. Good thing he did it with W’s dad so as to not make it look all bad. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

If all Clinton did publicly was Haiti relief, I’d not have said what I did. The guy is on TV more than Ford, GWH Bush, and GW Bush combined.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073470]As an aside, you are the most amateurish of spin doctors ever. lol seriously dude, the more you defend these people, the worse you make them look.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, those facts I post are all spin. :rolleyes: Just don’t be too upset that you can’t refute them.

And I’d rather defend Bush than a racist community organizer.

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073473]Fixed that for you.[/QUOTE]

How so, considering you’re dead wrong?

I’ve openly said the spending was too much under Bush and gave Obama props for not closing down Gitmo.

Let me ask you a question. :wink: Can you show us ONE example of you praising something Bush did and criticizing ONE thing Obama did? Or will you duck it repeatedly and then lock the thread? You know, your standard MO.

And FYI, sincerity is the greatest form of flattery. I use the word ‘ya’ though, so take note. Maybe you went to the Joe Biden School of Plagiarism.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073476]
Let me ask you a question. :wink: Can you show us ONE example of you praising something Bush did and criticizing ONE thing Obama did? Or will you duck it repeatedly and then lock the thread? You know, your standard MO. [/QUOTE] LOL at me locking threads. You’re the one that started calling me names TRYING to get a thread locked because you wouldn’t admit you were wrong.

At any rate, I’m not going to go through every post I ever made to prove a point. Bush gave lots of money to Africa for AIDS relief. Obama d1ck-tucked on the Bush tax credits, and I’m not crazy about a lot of the provisions in the Healthcare plan, especially insurance companies being forced to cover kids until they are 25. I think they should have focused on the ecoonomy instead of pushing healthcare through, but I understand why they did it to capitalize on his momentum.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073439]If it’s no big deal, why is he the ONLY President to earn one?

Of course I wish he was back. You liberals who always blast Bush on debt always give Obama a pass on debt, and the debt under the community organizer is at a record. For you slow liberals, that means it’s never been higher.

Civilian non-farm employment:
137,790,000 employed when taxes were cut in June 2003
146,032,000 employed when Democrats took control in Jan 2007

Unemployment rate Dec 2008: 7.4%
Current unemployment rate: 9.4%

Unlike the community organizer, the numbers don’t lie.[/QUOTE]

Facts are facts my friend… BUSH got us in debt:mad:

And all of the numbers you choose to display are all the trickle effect of what his administration did. We will continue to suffer the repercussions of their mismanagement.
Do you really think it takes 1-2 years to recover from the economic disaster that were the last 8 years? Come on, really? Be realistic dude!

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073467]Who cares what percent the community organizer raised it, the point is he raised it, and after he ran on Bush spending too much. And then he spent MORE than Bush did. It’s amazing the lengths you go to in order to never say Obama has done anything wrong or Bush has never done anything right.

— any CEO or Entrepreneur knows that to generate profits you need to SPEND on the company not throw money out the window with failed policies (in this case wars).

Excuses, excuses. If it’s so easy to get one, I’m guessing someone as intelligent as you must have 3 or 4 MBAs hanging on your wall, right?
-Actually, with the right ammount of money and influence you can get an MBA… oh, and it doesn’t make you smarter either:rolleyes:

God himself couldn’t convince you you’re wrong. So I can’t. As I’ve said before, I dont debate hoping to hear you (or any other liberal here) say, ‘Gee 1Bad, you were right all along’. I do it so those reading can see both sides and make up their minds.
-When I am wrong I admit it… when you are wrong you do not:p

And Republicans are typically like Bush is in that regard, unlike Democrats. You don’t see Ford or GHW Bush doing public events much, but Carter and Clinton are often worse than reality TV media *****s. I’ll predict right now Obama follows the lead of Carter and Clinton and refuses to step back out of the spotlight when his term (or terms) is over.

-They hide because they have nothing else to bring to society since they already bled the country dry:D

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Starting Unemployment/Ending Unemployment (ending in January of the term)

Truman (D): 4.3/2.9
Eisenhower (R): 2.9/ 6.6
JFK/Johnson (D): 6.6 /3.4
Nixon (R): 3.4/7.5
Carter (D): 7.5/7.5
Reagan (R): 7.5/5.4
Bush I (R): 5.4/7.3
Clinton (D): 7.3/4.2
Bush II (R):4.2/7.6

Since 1928 there have been 13 president, 7 Republicans (Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr) and 6 Democrats (FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter and Clinton).

Six of the seven Republican Presidents had unemployment increase while in office. Ronald Reagan is the only Republican President since 1928 to leave office with a lower unemployment rate.

All six Democratic Presidents had unemployment decrease or stay the same while in office. The worst Democratic performance was Jimmy Carter, who had the same unemployment rate when he left office as when he entered.

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073479]LOL at me locking threads. You’re the one that started calling me names TRYING to get a thread locked because you wouldn’t admit you were wrong.[/QUOTE]

Actually YOU just did it a few days ago, minus the name-calling. You jumped on early reports about the Arizona shooter being “pro-constitution” and “anti-government” before it came out he was actually a nutbar with mental issues who railed against the right as well. And when I asked you whether you were picking and choosing his beliefs of if you cast judgement before all the facts were in, you repeatedly refused to answer it, then locked the thread.

Care to answer that question now?

I’ve openly used the term “I stand corrected” more than once on this site. I can’t seem to recall you doing it however. But if you indeed have admitted an error/mistake/etc, I’ll have to say it again. :wink:

And Jamieson is the name-caller, not me. I admit I used to a bit, but I said a few months ago I was going to stop. But if you can show a RECENT thread where I called you names, I’ll apologize to you for that.

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073479]At any rate, I’m not going to go through every post I ever made to prove a point. Bush gave lots of money to Africa for AIDS relief. Obama d1ck-tucked on the Bush tax credits, and I’m not crazy about a lot of the provisions in the Healthcare plan, especially insurance companies being forced to cover kids until they are 25. I think they should have focused on the ecoonomy instead of pushing healthcare through, but I understand why they did it to capitalize on his momentum.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. I don’t need previous posts since you answered it now. I just wanted to see an example. Thanks for the answer.

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[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1073480]Facts are facts my friend… BUSH got us in debt:mad:

And all of the numbers you choose to display are all the trickle effect of what his administration did. We will continue to suffer the repercussions of their mismanagement.
Do you really think it takes 1-2 years to recover from the economic disaster that were the last 8 years? Come on, really? Be realistic dude![/QUOTE]

Congress makes the budget, not the President. Look at the debt and unemployment under Bush with a GOP Congress vs Bush with a Democrat Congress.

And Reagan got us out of Carter’s mess in under 2 years. Heck, he got us out so fast we even had a mini-recession in 1982 because he had to raise interest rates to combat the inflation he inherited. And unlike Obama, he was honest about it, he openly said it would hurt the economy in the short term, but solve the inflation problem. He could have just did like Obama and made all sorts of false promises about how it would be an immediate boon for the economy, and then it wasn’t just blamed Carter.

[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1073485]— any CEO or Entrepreneur knows that to generate profits you need to SPEND on the company not throw money out the window with failed policies (in this case wars).[/QUOTE]

Or you can cut prices. Or labor cost. Or production costs. Or marketing costs. It’s not always spending that solves problems, often times its cutting costs and streamlining, something NEVER done in Gov’t program.

As to spending, the community organizer threw an ENORMOUS amount of money we didn’t have on that failed stimulus because we were promised “shovel ready” jobs and that unemployment would not go over 8%. The New Deal was the greatest failed economic policy in our history, and yet the community organizer repeated it, just on an even more expensive scale.

[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1073485]Actually, with the right ammount of money and influence you can get an MBA… oh, and it doesn’t make you smarter either:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

And it can buy you a law degree as well, right? Just give the man some darn credit. Heck, I think Obama is a bumbling fool as a President, but I’ll admit the guy EARNED his degrees. Can’t you guys do the same? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1073485]They hide because they have nothing else to bring to society since they already bled the country dry:D[/QUOTE]

You forgot to add they’ve created AIDS, homelessness, stolen from the poor, destroyed the environment, starved children, and forced old people to eat dog food as well.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073467]
And Republicans are typically like Bush is in that regard, unlike Democrats. You don’t see Ford or GHW Bush doing public events much, but Carter and Clinton are often worse than reality TV media *****s. I’ll predict right now Obama follows the lead of Carter and Clinton and refuses to step back out of the spotlight when his term (or terms) is over.[/QUOTE]

i bet clinton has raised more money for the unfortunate people of the world than both bushes, nixon, reagan and ford have combined… clinton is doing alot and people are noticing his exellence… whereas guys like bush sr sit behind the scenes and play chess for an agenda… clinton just happens to be not only a smart man but a likable man and he gets sh1t done… i like how on fox news when he went all out he said he could truly focus on doing good things in this world without having his days dictated by world events and politics… as potus he could do alot but he can also do alot as a private… and he is… and you criticise that? why? im not a dem or a republican and i can say from an outside view that clinton was a good president… and isnt what he’s doing supposed to be like the great american dream? make money, help people and lead if you youre called???

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073490]Starting Unemployment/Ending Unemployment (ending in January of the term)

Truman (D): 4.3/2.9
Eisenhower (R): 2.9/ 6.6
JFK/Johnson (D): 6.6 /3.4
Nixon (R): 3.4/7.5
Carter (D): 7.5/7.5
Reagan (R): 7.5/5.4
Bush I (R): 5.4/7.3
Clinton (D): 7.3/4.2
Bush II (R):4.2/7.6

Since 1928 there have been 13 president, 7 Republicans (Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr) and 6 Democrats (FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter and Clinton).

Six of the seven Republican Presidents had unemployment increase while in office. Ronald Reagan is the only Republican President since 1928 to leave office with a lower unemployment rate.

All six Democratic Presidents had unemployment decrease or stay the same while in office. The worst Democratic performance was Jimmy Carter, who had the same unemployment rate when he left office as when he entered.[/QUOTE]

i notice how blue decided to answer others and not even acknowledge this one??? come on now… speak on it, blue…

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073495]Actually YOU just did it a few days ago, minus the name-calling. [/quote] If you read the last few posts in that thread, you will see I locked it because it turned into a discussion on the finer intricasies of using deregatory racial slurs.

You jumped on early reports about the Arizona shooter being “pro-constitution” and “anti-government” before it came out he was actually a nutbar with mental issues who railed against the right as well. And when I asked you whether you were picking and choosing his beliefs of if you cast judgement before all the facts were in, you repeatedly refused to answer it, then locked the thread.
Why should I rescind a statement that has yet to be proven false? I will retract it if evidence comes out that he was not, indeed, influenced by “pro-constituition” “anti-government” rhetoric. But until then, all evidence seems to indicate that was at least part of his mindset.

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[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1073480]Facts are facts my friend… BUSH got us in debt:mad:

And all of the numbers you choose to display are all the trickle effect of what his administration did. We will continue to suffer the repercussions of their mismanagement.
Do you really think it takes 1-2 years to recover from the economic disaster that were the last 8 years? Come on, really? Be realistic dude![/QUOTE]

hahahaha…don’t hold your breath with this one.

His whole thing is being a neo-con shill no matter what.
Fun to banter with, but don’t take him seriously because you just can’t.

lol :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1073512]i notice how blue decided to answer others and not even acknowledge this one??? come on now… speak on it, blue…[/QUOTE]

Ask, and ye shall receive.

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073590]If you read the last few posts in that thread, you will see I locked it because it turned into a discussion on the finer intricasies of using deregatory racial slurs.[/QUOTE]

True, but you repeatedly refused to answer the question before the thread was locked.

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073590]Why should I rescind a statement that has yet to be proven false? I will retract it if evidence comes out that he was not, indeed, influenced by “pro-constituition” “anti-government” rhetoric. But until then, all evidence seems to indicate that was at least part of his mindset.[/QUOTE]

You were not asked to rescind any statement. You were asked if you only posted his political beliefs that furthered your agenda OR if you posted before all the facts came out.

Now if I had posted ‘Well, “anti war” “atheist” nut bag shoots Congresswoman’, I would have been skewered, and rightly so for politicizing the tragedy and/or jumping to conclusions before all the facts came out, even though that statement is 100% true.

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There’s three kinds of lies.

BJJ has chosen the last of them. They are:

  1. lies

  2. damn lies

  3. statistics

hey, did you take into account who was sitting when and what the population of the country was and not to mention how were democratic houses effected by teh poor decisions of republican ones?

Your lie is number 3. Make note. :slight_smile:

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Those who can’t refute facts always try and find ways to disregard them.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073606]

Ask, and ye shall receive.[/QUOTE]

1995 through 2010…:rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073623]1995 through 2010…:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

It is recent history, and it emcompasses 3 different Administrations as well. Of course you’re free to post data from further back than that.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073631]It is recent history, and it emcompasses 3 different Administrations as well. Of course you’re free to post data from further back than that.[/QUOTE]

The graphic is basically useless. The highpoint under the Republicans (Dec 2003) coincides with the highpoint under the Democrats (~May 2009), which was right before the **** hit the fan with all the bailouts, etc… (under Bush, no less). It also conveniently stops in May 2010, even though it was already starting to trend downward.

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[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1073611]Those who can’t refute facts always try and find ways to disregard them.[/QUOTE]

What facts have you got for us then?
All is see is statistics on a graph.
All statistics are manipulable and can be made to shown whatever you like.

You have zero facts and just a bunch of lame spin.

amateur. lol :stuck_out_tongue:

Here’s a fact, many good paying jobs with benefits have been eliminated from the American economy because businesses choose to outsource those jobs to foreign countries.

Manufacturing has basically been handed to China over the last 10 years, with service and warranties being given to India.

That guy who was making 50k, had benefits and a decent life is now struggling because of corporate laws put in place that have essentially devalued the American people.

Your country and mine openly deal with a dictatorial regime. We shouldn’t be without concessions that we haven’t made. A lot of them revolving around human rights. I’m talking about China here.

You have the dictator Hu Jintao in your country making deals with you and now all your debt belongs to the Chinese dictator. What do you think the net result of that will be?

there’s some facts for you.
America as a nation will not be in the next 50 years. pretty much guaranteed and the incessant desire to be partisan is only making it worse.

But then, you cannot use dubious means to create a good ending. It is temporary if so, but that is the nature of reality. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1073635]The graphic is basically useless. The highpoint under the Republicans (Dec 2003) coincides with the highpoint under the Democrats (~May 2009), which was right before the **** hit the fan with all the bailouts, etc… (under Bush, no less). It also conveniently stops in May 2010, even though it was already starting to trend downward.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073642]What facts have you got for us then?
All is see is statistics on a graph.
All statistics are manipulable and can be made to shown whatever you like.

You have zero facts and just a bunch of lame spin.[/QUOTE]

Once again; Those who can’t refute facts always try and find ways to disregard them.

The graph plots actual data. If either of you have any actual data to refute it, feel free to post it. :wink:

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073642]Here’s a fact, many good paying jobs with benefits have been eliminated from the American economy because businesses choose to outsource those jobs to foreign countries.

Manufacturing has basically been handed to China over the last 10 years, with service and warranties being given to India.[/QUOTE]

You got one right! And why do you think those jobs have been outsourced?

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073642]That guy who was making 50k, had benefits and a decent life is now struggling because of corporate laws put in place that have essentially devalued the American people.[/QUOTE]

Can you provide us with examples of some of this legislation, including which Presidents signed said legislation into law?

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073642]Your country and mine openly deal with a dictatorial regime. We shouldn’t be without concessions that we haven’t made. A lot of them revolving around human rights. I’m talking about China here.

You have the dictator Hu Jintao in your country making deals with you and now all your debt belongs to the Chinese dictator. What do you think the net result of that will be?[/QUOTE]

I agree. It’s not good to owe dictatorial regimes tons of money. And under the community organizer we have borrowed record amounts of money from them.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1073642]there’s some facts for you.
America as a nation will not be in the next 50 years. pretty much guaranteed and the incessant desire to be partisan is only making it worse.[/QUOTE]

That’s actually a prediction, not a fact. No wonder you have a hard time accepting facts, you apparently don’t know the difference between a fact and a prediction.

I think we will survive. We finally have people in power who understand you cant be prosperous while having record debt.

People have predicted our demise for a couple hundred years now, and they’ve been wrong every time. We’ve survived an invasion, the Great Depression, two World Wars, the Cold War, several Presidential assassinations, a civil war, and the Carter years.

As for the problem being partisan, that’s ridiculous. The Founding Fathers were so partisan there were actually duels due to political differences and rhetoric, Hamilton vs Burr being the most famous. What goes on now is tame by comparison.

Our biggest problem is a growth of the Federal Government. Up until the 1930s, this country relied on the ‘rugged individual’ to make this country great, and we became the most powerful and the richest country in the world in under 200 years. As Gov’t and Gov’t intrusion, regulation, taxes, and entitlements grew, we have not grown at near the same rate we did when we had no entitlements and small Gov’t as the Founders intended.