# More 'real' king fu (vid) **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [October 24, 2003, 1:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654 "2003-10-24T13:51:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Suntzu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/suntzu/32/233_2.png) [@Suntzu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Suntzu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 1:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/1 "2003-10-24T13:51:23Z")
2003 Kuoshu clip… i dont know who they are tho… [http://www.risingdragonmartialart.com/gallery/video/2003sifusteve.mov](http://www.risingdragonmartialart.com/gallery/video/2003sifusteve.mov) ---
**Author:** ![Shaolin-Do](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/shaolin-do/32/396_2.png) [@Shaolin-Do](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shaolin-Do)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/2 "2003-10-24T14:07:46Z")
King fu eh? You will fear and respect my king fu. Hmmm… Well… To say the least, it looked like they were walking like gumby cause of the choppy crappiness of the video. Other than that I cant really comment on it. ---
**Author:** ![Suntzu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/suntzu/32/233_2.png) [@Suntzu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Suntzu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/3 "2003-10-24T14:22:23Z")
:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ford\_Prefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e8c25b/32.png) [@Ford\_Prefect](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ford_Prefect)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/4 "2003-10-24T14:44:44Z")
That’s not kung fu! That’s real fighting! 😛 BTW, it looked like they’d do good to learn some Judo or Greco. That guy in the yellow (Did that say USCK - US Combat Karate?) had some good oppurtunities. ---
**Author:** ![Suntzu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/suntzu/32/233_2.png) [@Suntzu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Suntzu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/5 "2003-10-24T14:51:44Z")
i agree… most of the fighters that won this year had good throw training on their side… even tho the point system isn’t on their side the damage they cause more than makes up for it… or maybe blue had good counters… i don’t know… but i saw some elbows snuck in during the clinch tho… United States Chinese Kuoshu something or other… i cant get with the sweat pants tho… ---
**Author:** ![Ford\_Prefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e8c25b/32.png) [@Ford\_Prefect](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ford_Prefect)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/6 "2003-10-24T15:41:21Z")
Yeah, I saw some of those elbows too. I didn’t know if that was against the rules or not. 😉 I agree that blue may of had good counters. It just appeared that they didn’t have a good handle on throws, but you never can tell in the heat of action. Any throws or takedowns against the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Suntzu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/suntzu/32/233_2.png) [@Suntzu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Suntzu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/7 "2003-10-24T15:58:08Z")
elbows are all good… and i THINK u only get points if u remain standing… illegal throws i’m not sure about… ---
**Author:** ![Musicalkatachmp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/musicalkatachmp/32/442_2.png) [@Musicalkatachmp](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Musicalkatachmp)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/8 "2003-10-24T16:46:41Z")
Blue= Pai lum tao Yellow = wing chun (I think) The guy in blue won first place last year and second this year in superheavyweight…he is Glen Wilson’s student…elbows are legal and give you points unless you hold their head with one hand and elbow with the other, it definitely doesn’t give you points. I think the guy in yellow won first place a few years ago too… I couldn’t see much because of the distance and quality of the video. I thought it looked pretty good but once I saw a punch that was a swat straight down, which always makes me puke. I can’t remember which guy threw it. And Sun Tzu, they changed the rule last year, throws are scored just like in san shou where you get more points if you remain standing but you still get points if you land on top. ---
**Author:** ![Musicalkatachmp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/musicalkatachmp/32/442_2.png) [@Musicalkatachmp](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Musicalkatachmp)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/9 "2003-10-24T16:52:35Z")
Watching it again I hear the announcer said “Both fighters down, no points.” I’m pretty sure this was just out of habit, because you definitely get points for landing on top. ---
**Author:** ![lkfmdc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/lkfmdc/32/14_2.png) [@lkfmdc](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/lkfmdc)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/10 "2003-10-24T17:19:07Z")
It took a while to download for me (dial up) but I HAVE to ask… you think this is GOOD fighting? :rolleyes: Espceically because the file is called “sifu steve” is this someone who claims to be high level? I would suggest that if this is “good” kung fu fighting, then I can safely rest my case as to how “effective” the training methods are ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mutant](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/mutant/32/220_2.png) [@Mutant](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Mutant)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/11 "2003-10-24T17:35:17Z")
i have to agree with lkfmdc on this one… ---
**Author:** ![fa\_jing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee7513/32.png) [@fa\_jing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/fa_jing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/12 "2003-10-24T17:38:08Z")
The Kuoshu guys did pretty well at our Kung-fu championships tournaments last year. FWIW, I think I could hang with those guys in the clip, so could a few more of the local KF participants here I’ve seen, and there were 3 guys that competed in the last tournament in particular (one was Sevenstar’s sifu’s brother from out of town) that I think could have taken these guys fairly easily (and me as well, for that matter). Shadow, I know you’re reading, get those clips done man. 🙂 Clinch work always looks wierd to me with no knees. Good show though. ---
**Author:** ![Musicalkatachmp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/musicalkatachmp/32/442_2.png) [@Musicalkatachmp](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Musicalkatachmp)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/13 "2003-10-24T17:41:31Z")
The video isnt showing up on my comp very well…I wouldn’t know what I was looking at anyway, I suck at critiquing fights…I did see a big elbow thrown when the camera zooms in, couldn’t tell if it landed flush or not… > Espceically because the file is called “sifu steve” is this someone who claims to be high level? The blind leading the blind eh? I fought two guys from the same organization at this same tournament…I thought they were pretty good…but they were from different schools within the org. ---
**Author:** ![Suntzu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/suntzu/32/233_2.png) [@Suntzu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Suntzu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/14 "2003-10-24T18:07:38Z")
‘good’… ‘bad’… whatever… they got up there… that gets my respect… could i hose 'em?.. let me win Born to Fight first… than i’ll get back to ya… ---
**Author:** ![Merryprankster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/merryprankster/32/102_2.png) [@Merryprankster](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Merryprankster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/15 "2003-10-24T18:21:01Z")
Do they get my respect for stepping up? Oh my yes. Did they suck? Badly? Oh my yes. Looked like a schoolyard fight. ---
**Author:** ![Water\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ad7895/32.png) [@Water\_Dragon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Water_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/16 "2003-10-24T18:56:02Z")
> Originally posted by Musicalkatachmp > [B]Blue= Pai lum tao > Yellow = wing chun (I think) The guy in blue won first place last year and second this year in superheavyweight…he is Glen Wilson’s student…elbows are legal and give you points unless you hold their head with one hand and elbow with the other, it definitely doesn’t give you points. I think the guy in yellow won first place a few years ago too… I couldn’t see much because of the distance and quality of the video. I thought it looked pretty good but once I saw a punch that was a swat straight down, which always makes me puke. I can’t remember which guy threw it. And Sun Tzu, they changed the rule last year, throws are scored just like in san shou where you get more points if you remain standing but you still get points if you land on top. [/B] HI KKM ---
**Author:** ![lkfmdc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/lkfmdc/32/14_2.png) [@lkfmdc](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/lkfmdc)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/17 "2003-10-24T18:56:11Z")
Reading more, I noticed this … “The guy in blue won first place last year” So he’s a “kuoshu champion” huh? :rolleyes: This clip is my new poster child for “Lei Tai Kuoshu fighting”, I say frequently that it is a format going no where FAST, this just proves it.. I have fighters in their FIRST FIGHT with a couple of months of training that would school these two gentlemen… PROPS for fighting, but skill level is practically NON EXISTANT ---
**Author:** ![Musicalkatachmp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/musicalkatachmp/32/442_2.png) [@Musicalkatachmp](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Musicalkatachmp)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/18 "2003-10-24T18:59:28Z")
Ross, I like kuoshu b/c it allows elbows. The gloves hitting that mask suck but its still pretty fun. There were about 100 fighters this year. Yes I think both fighters in the clip were former champions. Water Dragon, What is KKM? ---
**Author:** ![lkfmdc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/lkfmdc/32/14_2.png) [@lkfmdc](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/lkfmdc)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/19 "2003-10-24T19:02:11Z")
So BOTH are formers champions, that is just sad :rolleyes: SO they allow elbows? Doesn’t seem to matter since the format doesnt’ seem to develop any real usable skill with them! Lord’s sake, these are both “champions” and they look like idiots! ---
**Author:** ![Starchaser107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@Starchaser107](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Starchaser107)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654/20 "2003-10-24T19:05:04Z")
I will agree with Ross, those fighters suck… I’m sorry to say. …was not impressed. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/more-real-king-fu-vid/23654.md?page=2)