[QUOTE=1bad65;857907]Becca, running a kids MMA program and having your students playing MMA fighter in the streets are two diffent things entirely.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. BUT… you teach them young how to do MMA, then deny them the chance to compete till they are 16, the kids are going to go roll in the park. It really has little to do with the trainer. What I got from what you were posting was that a good teacher would not teach a kid the wrong way and most of the people opening MMA clubs lately have no clue about MMA, as you define it. JG MMA is a very well know club run by experienced MMA fighters and world renowned trainers. But all thier training aint going to keep a basically good kid with training from being goaded into a fight. I used to be one of those moms who was shocked when my kid did something morronic that he knew better than to do. Then I woke up. Good kids do dumb things because they don’t engage the brain before the mouth/body/ego, ect. You train a 6-year-old, you will get a kid who ends up using it before the age of 18. And probably before a crowd of people. MMA is the “in thing” so rolling in the park is a quick ticket to being one of the in kids.
[QUOTE=Becca;857965]Agreed. BUT… you teach them young how to do MMA, then deny them the chance to compete till they are 16, the kids are going to go roll in the park.[/QUOTE]
You do know there are kids divisions in BJJ tournamnets right? You do know kids can box like in Jr Golden Gloves? You do know kids can wrestle in wrestling tournaments right? That’s competing.
What park were the kids rolling at again?
[QUOTE=Becca;857965]It really has little to do with the trainer. What I got from what you were posting was that a good teacher would not teach a kid the wrong way and most of the people opening MMA clubs lately have no clue about MMA, as you define it.[/QUOTE]
It has alot to do with the trainer, and with the parents.
I never said MOST trainers have no clue, I said there are SOME people who have been caught teaching without the proper experience to do so.
[QUOTE=Becca;857965]JG MMA is a very well know club run by experienced MMA fighters and world renowned trainers. But all thier training aint going to keep a basically good kid with training from being goaded into a fight.[/QUOTE]
The JGMMA trainer said NONE of their kids there have ever fought outside of the gym!
Also, IMO if you goad someone and you get beat, you deserved it. How is it a bad thing for one kid to fight another kid who STARTS crap with him?
[QUOTE=Becca;857965]MMA is the “in thing” so rolling in the park is a quick ticket to being one of the in kids.[/QUOTE]
Again, where is this rolling in the park you speak of?
Sorry. Forgot you like to reinvent and rephrase your posts when others find logical faults with them. I will stop this immediatly. As far as what park… did you even read Gene’s last post? Or was you regular browser not working, like your video, either?
[QUOTE=Becca;857990]Sorry. Forgot you like to reinvent and rephrase your posts when others find logical faults with them.[/QUOTE]
Did I alter any posts in any way?
[QUOTE=Becca;857990]As far as what park… did you even read Gene’s last post? Or was you regular browser not working, like your video, either?[/QUOTE]
Yup. It mentioned kids fighting in a park. The kids ran away when the police arrived. So no one can say for certain the kids train MMA at a gym. It also said this:
“Bracken[a MMA gym owner and coach] said anyone interested in MMA should follow the proper channels and begin taking classes instead of taking it the parks. One of the most important aspects, he said, is not the fighting itself, but the discipline, technique and respect that it teaches.”
The scary part is you just more or less agreed with what i’ve been saying, and you’re absolutely convinced you got the best of this argument.:rolleyes:
You know me better than I do. :rolleyes:
It APPEARS you think teaching kids MMA is a bad thing, I think it’s not a bad thing if done properly. And it sounds like the gym mentioned in the vid is one of the ones doing it properly.
I’ll be glad when MMA craze cools its jets. All these Dieselheads really annoy the community of martial arts. If it weren’t illegal, the posers would have been run out of town all over the world by real MA experts a long time ago. Alas the wild west, so to speak, is over. For better or worse? I don’t know.
But it’s time for all martial arts to evolve.
Security
Gyms should sign up their MMA guys to provide security for the place, kick people out more. A lot of guys go to things like that to cause a ruckus, they should be slapped on the wrists and thrown out in a blaze of pathetic glory. The government should simply make laws about security at those things, less security at concerts and more at big crazed white guy fests.
As for MMA its high time it gives up the dogged military crap and start taking on some of the 70s style of martial arts, I’m sick of watching dudes sprawled out with their gracie ****. Western wrestling, sambo, and the sort of mongol/hung-gar/sanshou stuff is where the grappling should be going. That stuffs better than pro-wrestling for the spectator and its real.
I didn’t realize there was censorship, gracie s wards.
[QUOTE=Norman Conway;859491]Gyms should sign up their MMA guys to provide security for the place, kick people out more. A lot of guys go to things like that to cause a ruckus, they should be slapped on the wrists and thrown out in a blaze of pathetic glory. The government should simply make laws about security at those things, less security at concerts and more at big crazed white guy fests…[/QUOTE]Awwww… Did somebody get kicked out of a concert?:rolleyes:
If you don’t like modern MMA then don’t watch it. I’m not sure where you are making the distinction between Jiujitsu and wrestling. Have you actually seen submissionwrestling latly?
I did juvenile boxing as a teen. we were not allowed full contact matches until 16 and no fc matches without full gear.
that’s 14oz gloves, header gear, cup and mouthguard.
not sure kids should be choking each other out while their bodies are still developing.
adult and children bodies are hugely different and training in hard martial arts as a child with full contact etc does have a chance attached to it of irregularities at an older age.
if done properly and with utmost concern for children’s safety, then you could do it.
better than the Thai stuff like betting on 9 year olds to knock each others lights out. That kind of stuff is just pathetic.
I do agree there are a lot of schlemiels running ma gyms out there. probably about 90% more than there should be really 
, but what are ya gonna do? we live in a capitalist and individually aggressive, assertive society that encourages and nurtures domination over others.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;859562]
adult and children bodies are hugely different and training in hard martial arts as a child with full contact etc does have a chance attached to it of irregularities at an older age.
if done properly and with utmost concern for children’s safety, then you could do it.
better than the Thai stuff like betting on 9 year olds to knock each others lights out. That kind of stuff is just pathetic.
.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I think kids can participate in martial arts, but they have to participate as children, not pro fighters in training. I’m not going to bring up basic dog psychology…but there’s something about that spartan pardigm of MMA that requires adult comprehension.
Teach the kid wrestling, teach him karate, kickboxing, etc. all with requisite safety gear and precautions. Let him blend later in life and develop that killer instinct on his own–not as something that’s a product of his MA training, but as a competitive instinct curious to competition.
[QUOTE=1bad65;857624]I’d be willing to bet most of the ‘trainers’ don’t have the training or experience needed to train people in MMA. There have been quite a few guys busted over on Bullshido running MMA gyms who have absolutely NO training in MMA at all.[/QUOTE]
yeah i’l bet there are more than a few guys who are intermediate at JJ judo and muay thai no trally excelling at either who are peddlingg MMA
[QUOTE=1bad65;857981]What park were the kids rolling at again?
Again, where is this rolling in the park you speak of?[/QUOTE]
Are you really that lazy that you can’t refer back to the first page to get the name of the parks?
“But if you were near either Poly Vista or Pioneer Park a few weeks ago, you may have seen an unsanctioned, unofficial match.”
You want to know the city and state go look it up.
[QUOTE=Becca;858021]The scary part is you just more or less agreed with what i’ve been saying, and you’re absolutely convinced you got the best of this argument.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
There is no end to the amusement provided by some of these threads. I’m seriously beginning to think that MMA has a detrimental effect on brain cells. 
[QUOTE=1bad65;857624]I’d be willing to bet most of the ‘trainers’ don’t have the training or experience needed to train people in MMA. There have been quite a few guys busted over on Bullshido running MMA gyms who have absolutely NO training in MMA at all.[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to MMA as a style (combo of MT, BJJ and Boxing) or are these guys teaching with NO martial arts background at all. Not bashing or starting a fight, just want to clarify.
[QUOTE=1bad65;857767]And I train under legit guys who have proven experience and lineage.[/QUOTE]
I just really like this statement (mostly the ‘lineage’ part) coming from a guy training MMA style.
The line between MMA and TCMA is rapidly blurring. Seriously, has a clear definition of MMA been established and agreed on by all? I ask because peeps seem to keep referring to it like it’s a style. Case in point the thread on the Southern Forum about CLF vs MMA.
Can’t tap out against a stun gun
I suspect there’s a lot more to this story…
Mixed martial arts promoter injured, 15 suspects sought after Que. hotel brawl
Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, July 28, 2008
OTTAWA - A 28-year-old Mississauga, Ont., man and another 38-year-old man were knocked unconscious following a brawl in a Gatineau, Que., hotel room Sunday that sent three people to hospital.
Both men regained consciousness later in the day. None of the injuries were life-threatening.
Police responded to a call Sunday of a beating at a hotel room just after 4 a.m.
Lieut. Claude Vaillancourt said six men and two women were in a room on the eighth floor when they heard a knock on the door.
When one occupant opened the door, 15 people entered the room.
The six men were shot with a stun gun and beaten with bottles, said police. The women were unharmed.
Fifteen suspects, all from Ontario, were in Gatineau to participate in an Ultimate Fighting Challenge event at a local arena Saturday night, Vaillancourt said.
The event’s promoter was one of the victims taken to hospital, police said.
No names have been released.
Brawl after Hull martial arts meet leaves man in coma
Source: CBC News
Posted: 07/28/08 8:25AM
Filed Under: Canada
A man remained in a coma in hospital Monday following an assault in Gatineau’s Hull district Saturday night on three men who had just participated in a mixed martial arts tournament nearby, Gatineau police reported.
As of Monday morning, no one had been arrested in relation to the attack in which 10 people allegedly showed up at a Best Western hotel room with stun guns and beat the three occupants with bottles and their fists.
The three victims, aged 28 to 38, including two Ontario men, were sent to hospital. Two of them, who suffered from cuts and facial injuries, have been released.
Police confirmed all three had participated in an ultimate fighting tournament at the Robert Guertin Arena Saturday evening and one was the promoter of the event.
Just because a few people get into a fights doesn’t mean that all or even most MMA guys are into breaking the law by being violent at public events.
The media would have people believe that MMA guys are violent sadists who beat each other up for fun. That may be true for some, but not for the majority. Most MMA guys are simple upstanding citizens who enjoy the art of combat but abhor criminal violence. Lots of guys like to fight, but they don’t like to HARM themselves or others.
There’s just as much, if not more, violence at a rock concert as there is at a MMA event. Yet nobody automatically claims that people that enjoy rock music and attend rock concerts are violent criminals who break the law.
I think it’s better that people exercise their competitive urges in a safe legal setting like a kung fu kwoon or MMA academy than break the law in street brawls. I do not support street brawling in any form, and there’s no excuse for it whatsoever.
The majority of MMA is practiced and enjoyed by law abiding citizens who stay within the law. Were that not the case, MMA would be banned nationwide and around the world.
Crime at MMA events is NOT PROFITABLE, financially or situationally.
where i stand…
MMA is a fücking joke. there is no art whatsoever involved in the [b]mma[/b]… none. it is the byproduct of fear… men fighting in cages like animals-ironically there are rules. it is an attempt to sever the classic master-disciple relationship… it promotes fear, hate, violence, anger, and aggression… it is an insult to all true martial artists.
[QUOTE=uki;881397]MMA is a fücking joke. there is no art whatsoever involved in the [b]mma[/b]… none. it is the byproduct of fear… men fighting in cages like animals-ironically there are rules. it is an attempt to sever the classic master-disciple relationship… it promotes fear, hate, violence, anger, and aggression… it is an insult to all true martial artists.[/QUOTE]
dear lord, another one :rolleyes:
what’s the matter, did the big bad MMA guy kick sand in your face and kiss your girlfriend? 
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;881408]dear lord, another one [/quote]well that is what happens when the immune system gets fired up… the re-enforcements coagulate.
what’s the matter, did the big bad MMA guy kick sand in your face and kiss your girlfriend?
actually the big bad [b]M[/b]c[b]M[/b]artial [b]A[/b]rts guy couldn’t handle the job and quit… as for one of those fckers kissing my girlfriend… ha, she’s a more solid backfist than any dipsh!t MMA’er. all ego and entertainment. the MMA is for show buisness… eat that tough guy’s.
That’s nice but the backfist is still a dumb punch.