“the opponent has to be just in the right spot doing just the right move etc”
From what I’ve seen of YKM its a very much alive system like
its sister style White Eyebrow,so theres no need to worry if the
opponent is in the right spot,if he’s in range,he’s in the right spot(moving or not).
“I’m not a fan of double punches - not realistic.”
Sure they are and can be given the right situation,the wrong one
I agree.
I like what Crimson Phoenix said,theres alot there the layperson can miss.
Interesting comment on why you dont think double strikes are non effective? Can you elabarate on that comment? What do you know about when attacking the body with double strikes to attacking with a single strike? does your CLF use double striking techniques at all?
Many thanks
FT
thanks everyone that liked the clips i will do more soon, does anyone wanna see a certain type of range?
the only thing i didnt like is that some of the movements looked a little sloppy when done slow . .. like when he was casually displaying pieces of the technique while talking. this is a pet peeve of mine due to the way i train and i realize it does not necessarily reflect his knowledge of the system or fighting ability. i also admit that this could very likely be attributed to the camera itself … when you are talking to a camera it just changes sh!t.
the techniques themselves didn’t really do anything for me either. i don’t think that any of them sucked, they just weren’t my style. i’m not a big fan of the phoenix eye (because i’m not good at it) and strangely some of the movements reminded me of jkd which im also not a big fan of. again … i’m not saying they were no good just that they were differant from what i am used to so there must be something wrong with them.
on the positive, i think he moved very well when showing the technique with his student and he did an awesome job of conveying the principles of each technique via the camera . .. something that’s not easy to do. he presented himself as down to earth without a hint of arrogance. all in all good clips done by a guy who looks like he could teach me a lot (though i’d have to set aside what’s right to learn).
the only thing i didnt like is that some of the movements looked a little sloppy when done slow… like when he was casually displaying pieces of the technique while talking. this is a pet peeve of mine due to the way i train
Can you explain this a bit better? Due to the way you train? How so? In what way were the moves done sloppy?
I’ve never seen JKD so I have no idea how closely the techniques shown could resemble JKD.
What Art do you practice?
Again thanks for checking out the clips and for the post.
my sifu teaches wudan, pukulan, and jujitsu. (probably because of the heavy wudan influance) he is very adamant on practicing all movements very slow so that you learn to get your entire body behind every movement … . you actually get the time to feel everything that’s happening everywhere while training this way. you even spar this way for most of your time as a beginer and a good part of your time as an advanced student. due to this type of training i am accustomed to seeing movements performed with the same grace when done slow as fiercest tiger displayed when actually showing the techniques on his student. like i said though … this is a stylistic difference and may just be due to the presence of the camera. as well as he moved otherwise im willing to bet he could do the same thing slow, but was more worried about presenting the material accurately to the camera at the time.
like i said though, i thought the clips were good, but you seemed to really want someone to point out anything they could criticize. being that i was only able to pull out pety sh!t soley based on opinion, i would say that it further exemplifies a job well done.
Originally posted by Lowlynobody Phrost - Your the McDojo man. What do you think of the clips?
They look ok to me. The only thing I’d like to see is how it would be demonstrated on a live, resisting opponent. It’s too easy to “simulate” just about anything with a compliant, helpful partner.
Sifu Abel, I’ve also got a Wing Chun background as well. I don’t wear spandex or do steroids, but I do have a picture of Royce Gracie tapping out Jason Delucia with an arm bar on my wall if that makes you happy.
But I also have a copy of Inside Kung Fu on my wall, with my Wing Chun Sifu’s son on the cover.
GDA, I don’t think you can do these moves in slo mo without missing the point of them. In the Southern shorthand, it’s all in the last instant (the moment of contact) and you train as if there was nigh on zero distance to target.
Depends on specific circumstances but the shock power has no discernable build up time. As a beginner, you collect the power like ****ing a crossbow then release it instantaneously. The collecting can be done slow but eventually you have to speed that up, too, or get nowhere.
… doesnt mean you have to or that you dont need to also do the movements fast to get the hang of the power you are generating, but it can definately all be done slow
OK, I practice very slowly sometimes to feel shifting balance etc in my body (as you say you do). This is something I got from studying taiji. In my training, I’d save that for private meditative training at home: nobody could learn by watching me do my slow stuff and it’s completely useless to film it for anyone else to watch.
Can you clap in slo-mo? There are a hundred ways of bringing your hands together but it’s only the moment of contact that has any bearing on understanding the activity.
Short power is like that. You can’t easily see it and when you do see it, it’s easy to misread what you’ve witnessed. As it is, these clips tell a very complex story and I don’t pretend to know much of what’s going on there. But I do think that in slo-mo, the entire point of this style (which, I guess, differs fundamentally from yours) would be lost.
There are form clips on the site (linked in this thread) which give an idea of some of the principles of body carriage and motion. They are easier to follow with the eye.
I’m trying to avoid labouring my point but, for some reason, I’m feeling very interlecheral tonight. :o
i hear ya brother, but i wasn’t trying to say he should have done it slow for the clip. your right … there’d be no point. i was just saying that when he did move slow, when talking about ****, it didnt seem to have the same precision as when he was executing the move.
i also think that the movements that generate short power could be preformed slowly with noticable benifits. maybe i have a misunderstanding of what you mean by short power, but i’m pretty sure i got the drift.
again … i do want to make it clear that im not suggesting that practicing slowly is the only way to train, the only way to get results, or that you don’t need to train other ways if you do train slow.
You comments are ok GDA. I would say all comments are welcome as long as they are not of the “the clips are crap, that’s all there is to it” variety.
What I was after was views from people who study different arts. Seeing as I’ve had little experience training in other MA other than YKM and tend to think in terms of YKM.
Speaking for myself I would say that the shock power in YKM does not (or shouldn’t) have any build up. One is relaxed until the point of contact, then “shock” for an instant, then relaxed again, flowing into the next technique.
I train my forms from time to time in a slow manner. Completing each technique in 3 - 5 slow, deep, controlled breaths. I find it helps with muscle control and correct technique. Also to be more relaxed when I’m doing my forms at normal speed.
To phoenix-eye someone in the heart and throat causing their vital functions (breath especially) shut down just to demonstrate that it works on someone who resists doesn’t sounds like a good idea to me. I’m sure as hell not volunteering
The double punch goes against my MA principle- one hand in one hand out. The one hand in (depending on the time of the movement) is the strike while the second hand is en guard or has just removed a guard/block/leg..what have you. It is a ‘piston’ principle.
In my Bak Hsing CLF we do have the odd double-handed movement. I do not subscribe to these moves and they are not fundamental. It is my experience that they are ineffectual. It is also my preference to use multiple single strikes..working both hands in unison. To execute a double strike would throw my forward momentum off, which is paramount to my style. We cover a lot of ground when we fight.
Plus, and inconjunction with momentum…if I execute a double strike it is my firm belief my power is thus halved. And no..I am not ‘doing it wrong’ but thank you for the critique.
It simple goes against my style and our movement. Nevertheless, I have not removed this from our patterns and I have taught it on the odd occasion as it is not for me to limit future generations based on my biases. My perspective is to teach ALL that I have been taught (to disciples) - the rest will take care of itself.
