Here it is folk. My debut of Lung Ying San Sau. Just hope it works… 
This is Sarm Tong Gwo Kiew (from the first form of Lung Ying)
Sarm Tong
Gwo Kiew (side view)
Gwo Kiew (front view)
This is the first version that was taught to me. I will post the other version as well. We didn’t get to do a 2 men application with this one this week. Sunday mornings, what can we say? Enjoy
Mantis108
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[This message was edited by mantis108 on 04-01-01 at 02:24 PM.]
wier…
Can’t get it working!
Mantis108
try again later
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Second try
2a Gwo Kiu (Side View)
2b Gwo Kiu (Front View)
Hope this works
Mantis108
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let’s see
Mantis108
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one more try
Mantis108
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I give up!
may be
1 Sarm Tong
2a Gwo Kiew (Side View)
2b Gwo Kiew (Front View)
Mantis108
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[This message was edited by mantis108 on 04-01-01 at 05:19 PM.]
very nice!
nice pics! we bend a little lower when performing this move though.
Thanks Trisk
Glad you like it. This move has more than one version and application wise they are slightly different.
Mantis108
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Nice Pics
Keep um coming Mantis!
Mantis
Good form.
Please explain what the opponent is doing, for you to execute this move correctly?
What is the timing? If you timed it wrong what would be your next move?
I am not trolling and I wish you would not take things personally.
Yours sincerly,
Cloud one.
Cloud One
Seriously, your assumption is just… nontheless, your questions here have technical merits. I will answer them. This is my approach and do not represent anything but my own understanding of the technique.
The Sarm Tong is used to intercept (do not block) the opponent’s right jab. Make use of footwork.
If the jab has commitment (slower more power) to it, it is possible to intercept under the elbow or the tricep. Follow through and trap (temporary) his right arm against his chest. If he resists the trap and forces his right arm toward you or tries to shift stance by withdrawing the front right leg, quickly follow up with Gwo (gor) Kiu. If he’s very quick in shifting with his footwork follow through with bik bo double push or Sheung Mah larm dah.
If the jab has no commitment (fast) to it (opponent feints), do not withdraw the Sarm Tong hands. Quickly follow with bik bo 3 Soy Kiu (hammer fist) or the Soy Kiu - Bui Gim - Gau Pak combo. The attack should remain at and follow the original line of intended engagement (where the opponent withdrew his hand).
The cross (including elbows), low line kick or slipping (most effective)would possible counter by the opponent. But then that is beyond the scope of this thread.
Please don’t add emotion or conclusion to my replies. Thanks. BTW, thanks for the compliment.
Mantis108
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Mantis
Thanks for the reply.
Is this a basic or advanced technique?
From what you are saying you will move to his off-side weather he is commiting or feinting his jab.
What happens if he has a left foot stance and he jabs with his right?
Could or would you do the same move?
Sorry I forgot to mention I know nothing about Lung Ying. From what I hear the stances are different to Pak Mei, but the arm applications are the same. Correct me if I am wrong.
Always willing to learn,
Cloud One.
Cloud One
“Thanks for the reply.
Is this a basic or advanced technique?”
No problem, I love technical discussion. IMHO, that is no such a thing as a basic or advance technique. A simple straight punch in the hands of the masters is just as devastating as everything else. Although this move is from a novice level form, there are different applictions taught at different stage. It doesn’t mean that one application is better than another. It is just that the move is versatile. The advanced practitioner sees more options than the novice that’s all.
“From what you are saying you will move to his off-side weather he is commiting or feinting his jab.”
It would depend on the opponent. If facing a bigger, faster and smarter opponent, footwork is key for me. Otherwise, a direct approach is just as effective.
“What happens if he has a left foot stance and he jabs with his right?”
Ah… the right hand jab! Either he’s a master of boxing or he’s an arrogant fighter. This would mean he thinks that I am slow if he opens with the right hand jab. I would have to defang him with Soy Kiu or other hands, but definately defanging first. It’s kind of arrogant to open with the right hand jab. For me on the save side, there is not much of a choice.
“Could or would you do the same move?”
After the defanging, yes.
Sorry I forgot to mention I know nothing about Lung Ying. From what I hear the stances are different to Pak Mei, but the arm applications are the same. Correct me if I am wrong.
footwork in Bak Mei appears to be more linear than that of Lung Ying. There are times when Bak Mei have tendency to more stick than to move. Lung Ying would be on the move more. I would think that’s the animal spirits that the styles portray.
Always willing to learn,
Always willing to share.
Mantis108
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cloud one
i dont know any person that would lead with a rear hand punch!!
left foot forward and right punch you said, are you gonna set up using a left hand attack??
peace
Mantis
Defanging???
Sorry don’t understand this term, please elaborate.
F.t
Stupid question!!!
Gok Kiew
Hi Mantis108,
Great pictures - I hope to buy a scanner soon and share some pictures too - good learning tool!
Anyway, some really great applications to Gok Kiew on the LY VCD by Ma Gok Fai.
This move is very difficult to understand. “Not very pretty” - in the words of my Si-Bak. Might take a few years to really understand / be able to apply in a meaningful way. One of those master’s techniques!
My compliments - kevin
kevin
what is this vcd you’re talking about? is it worth buying? if so where can i get a hold of it? thanks!
stupid answer cloud one
:rolleyes:
also a jab is with the lead hand, get it!
peace
kevin and mantis 108
have you guys learnt 7 ways of the plum flower yet or seen it?
is it a long form, i think its a long form.
is it an original form or did lum yui gwa make this one up? also whats the main use of it?
thanks guys 
peace
mantis108
This is what i like to see san sao or san sau techniques.Great pictures.