Lin Kong Jing.........

I cannot believe that after nearly 30 years “COMBAT MAGAZINE” in the UK has finally printed an article 3 pages long by Richard Mooney.
The first section of the article contains a lovely colour picture, of a line of men falling backwards from the force of Master Mooneys hand 3 feet away!

After years of this mag slowly deteriorating, it has finally lost all credibility.

Imagine how stupid martials arts must look to a non martial artist who see this rubbish.

The editor ought to know better!

Colin…

tsk tsk tsk

Dillman does it to:

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i dont know

i don’t know why they bother to publish that pig snot! Kung fu magazine just published an article on that lin kong jing trash, I’d rather read another article on bruce lee and JKD than “no hit KO monkey trash”

The thing i dont get is…
If you really COULD knock people over without touching them.
How would you stop yourself from only using the power to annoy?
I would just be out everyday in the city causing trouble with pedestrians and the like.
Not to mention those annoying guys on stilts i seem to see all the time:rolleyes:
Imagine…
I could walk though Central station at peak hour and not get bumped into!

I think they put stuff like this in magazines becouse the plain fact is… People read it!
I bet each one of you guys read the whole article. I know i would have if i got the magazine. It would have only been for comic value but heck thats kinda my favorite part.

Just a matter of time before Dillman markets another fad.
And magazines have to have fillers to sell . They have to fill space,
stimulate attention, market, pick among stuff that is submitted and when out of ideas- publish yet another picture of Bruce Lee.
So pick and choose what you read and get good people to write.
Forget about Looney kong ging and reread PT Barnum’s famous comment on suckers being born every minute.
So why worry about trash?

We had a long and heated thread about the questionable judgement of media that publishes charlatans like Mooney and Dillman. Sadly, this forum’s parent magazine has joined the ranks of the “anything for a buck” pandering-to-the-gullible McDojo mentality.

What really bothers me about Mooney is not only that he says he can drop a knife-wielding attacker, but that he claims he can heal people of cancer with this crap. He preys on the naive and the desperate.

:frowning:

mooney ain’t the only 1

Toate, striking at a distance

Extracted from the book:
Histoire de Karaté-dô
Written by Kenji Tokitsu
[Link to the Official Kenji Tokitsu website]
Editorial SEM, Paris.

Concerning Master Egami’s karate, another matter arises: what are the breadth and possibilities within his Karate, a Karate that explores a new form of effectivity, taking a mystical direction?

We have seen that technically he attained such an effectivity that his students were projected without him touching them. The toate, or striking at a distance, means precisely a technique that lets you control your opponent without touching him. Master Egami said: “If somebody attacks me, as sick as I am, he will die.”

Based upon testimony that I have gathered, Master Egami seems to have attained a particular ability even though he continually suffered sicknesses. People that have given me their testimonies are completely trustworthy.

If as a result of his search for tsuki effectivity in karate, Shigeru Egami obtained such an ability in his tsuki, I think this discovery is revolutionary. A tsuki is a technique that impacts the body of the opponent, transmitting a force from the point of impact.

The initial objective of Master Egami was to find out how to concentrate all the strength at the moment of impact. If he were able to project this energy from a distant position, without touching the body of the opponent, we must say that this is a tsuki of the highest level imaginable.

How effective is the toate technique? This is a question that does not have an answer today considering that Master Egami died.

The toate technique that is commonly shown in Shintaido demonstrations, who have expanded on Master Egami’s practice ideas. (I would like to point out that Shigeru Egami’s karate is practiced today by the Shotokai and Shintaido [New way of the body] groups). But I think what is seen today in Shintaido does not have the same characteristics as Master Egami’s technique. If it is the same thing, then it is more a psychopathological phenomenon than a technique.

I will analyse the Shintaido toate phenomenon in the following way: during the training sessions exercise in some movements of relatively simple cadence. Submerge yourself within the repetition of these movements with a relaxed body, until you reach the level of exhaustion, then you end up feeling as if your body has become a seaweed on the sea floor, responding to the slightest water current. These exercises try to attain a provisional suppression of the voluntary body orders, perceptions and actions, freeing it to an invasion of the more archaic levels. It could be said that our conscious part is exhausted, and our more spontaneous part, closer to the emotional level, takes over. In this situation our intuitive perceptiveness and sensitivity is open to stimulus from others. If you exercise holding the hands of a partner you will be able to feel the smallest movement. If you continue to exercise you will be able to sense, through the subtle hand contact, the movements of your partner’s will. The important feeling is one of fusion with the partner. when you feel with those that surround you, facing you, around you, the profound sensation of togetherness, your body reacts reflecting their smallest intentions. Seen from the outside you’ll look as if in a trance and you could truly say that you are. Cultivating this sensation of interpersonal communication, energetic communication in this case, you will develop a special perceptivity that will let you to feel the presence of the other person, first his movements and then his intentions. In this interpersonal hypersensitive space, built upon mutual trust, a partner can dynamically respond to the intentions of the other. When two partners distance themselves a few meters, if one of them makes a movement with the thought of fusing with the other, making a voluntary and spontaneous extension of the spirit, the other person, hypersensitive, will react as if hit by an invisible energy and will be projected backwards. But contrary to the impression a spectator may have, the projected person will not feel the pain he/she would feel if truly hit by a blow. On the contrary, he/she will feel a strong satisfying sensation with the encounter and an important energetic fusion. In a way, he/she’ll feel as if receiving a non-aggressive electrical discharge stimulating the central point of their being.

This experience will awaken different sensations than those we are accoustomed to. During this training a person can learn to liberate a level of vital energy that normally is controlled. When one is able to eliminate pressures through these exercises and experiences, the person can then experience a totally new sensation. Thus, these experiences can help those that suffer certain psychosomatic sicknesses and recuperate their health by circulating their energy in a better fashion and liberating different tensions. I have presented a summary of the my analysis of the toate process. Seen from the outside the situation seems as if a person is projected by a blow but we must understand it is not the same type of blow as the one received in a martial arts combat. The mental state is similar, but not the consequences because in a combat situation, the two opponents are in conflict, their fighting energy hurts and interfere one with the other, whereas in toate both partners are in harmony and search to unite the energy of one with the other. In a combat situation if one of the opponents were to be projected as violently as in toate, receiving an effective blow, he/she could risk being severely injured or even die. Whereas in toate the projected person will feel good after receiving, as the effect of a radical treatment of well-being.

I believe that the expression toate is badly chosen because the word means to hurt at a distance, as if the energy of the blow were thrown as a bullet shot. This is why serious trainees within the martial arts have wished to understand this phenomenon and understand the technique. Some propose the challenge, till this moment without an answer, of corroborating the validity of this technique.

Taking into account the sacrificed trajectory of Master Shigeru Egami life searching for an effective tsuki, if he had been able to discover this phenomenon in his youth, he would surely have been one of the first to try to prove its effectivity.

But the subject remains, are the toate practiced today in Shintaido, which I have just analysed, and Master Egami’s toate the same? I believe they are not exactly the same. If Master Egami could do toate in free sparring situations, on an opponent that was trying to apply a real blow, this attainment would truly be the magnificent result of his research. It would be the true toate, a situation where the energy of one opponent is opposing, hurting and interfering with the energy of the other. In the history of the Japanese Martial Arts you can find similar testimonies on this type of aptitude.

The toate technique in Shintaido and certain currents of Shotokai is accesible to all through training. This helps establish a conditioning that helps the energetic communication between partners. On the other hand, Master Egami’s toate seems to have been done without, and independent to all conditioning. We cannot verify it though, I will merely formulate a hypothesis. After many years of intense training in combat techniques, Master Egami acquired his toate ability. I ask myself if the key element in this technical transformation wasn’t the closeness to death and the integration of death into his practice. He says “I have died once”, he continued his research in karate with a particular closeness to death for more than 20 years of his life. Living on the border of life, could it be that he was able to surpass barriers that normally hinder our potential capabilities? Master Egami did not live close to death by his own will. Based on documentation, most of those that have developed strange or extraordinary abilities had practiced an asceticism that had taken them close to death.

This ascetic attitude is present in differing degrees in Japanese Martial Art practice. The ascetic practice is not an objective in itself, rather, it points to develop and deepen conscience, thus facilitating the understanding of natural and social phenomenon. Japanese martial arts tradition values this practice because it is associated with the Buddhist thought of deepening in self-knowledge directed towards opening a universal way. The acquisition of an important technical ability is considered the concrete sign of an advancement along this way and a development of the personality. Therefore the search for effectivity is followed spontaneously with an ethic. Here we encounter the dialectic Japanese thinking related to body and spirit: deepening in the quality and technical capacity through the body, we can heighten our spiritual level simultaneously. But the training of the spirit goes through the body.

I leave the questions open with respect to Master Egami’s toate.

Translated to english by Mogens Gallardo, originally to spanish by Xavier Mínguez, Shotokai de España

http://www.tokitsu.com/

and here too:

http://www.innerpowercourse.com/

PS

I heard he did a great job and had a fine seminar series in NYC this past weekend. He does pretty good for a fake. As for his healing skills, I have never ever seen him write anything about him being able to cure cancer.

Others are also raking in the big bux

http://www.johncole.com/html/qigongframe.html

http://www.dryqwong.com/kungfu/photos.shtml

http://www.yichuankungfu.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/streetsmart/page4.html

These guys are raking in some big bux huh?

I also heard that Mooney did such a great job in NYC, that he has an offer to go to the UAE on a first class flight
to teach over there.

As far as him curing cancer. I never saw anywhere in any webpage that holds his writings, that he said anywhere that he could treat or cure cancer.

:smiley:

hmmm

out of interest how long have you all studied Lin Kong Jing to come to the conclusion that it doesn’t work? I take it that you rpresent styles of Martial Art are satisfactory to yourselves because you train hard and long in them?

monkey~!

becuase it’s a fake! it’s so obvious, otherwise everyone would be givin this guy mad respect. It’s total BS, don’t tell your going to now tell us that unless we’ve studied it than we can’t even say anything about it. just think with reason, u think this guy can project enough qi 3 feet away to knock over a line of ppl? it’s BS!
FURTHERMORE, there is no NEED to study it, because it is against our styles theories, therefore, we have concluded it doesn’t work because it’s against the theory of our styles, and just about everyone else out there.

BTW guys, i did read the entire article, outloud, me and some friends had a few good laughs. It’s funny that they publish this stuff, for educated in the MA ppl, it’s just a joke, but some ppl who are really new to MA totally believe that stuff..and THATS why it bothers me.

THe best part is when a guy comes punch in one picture, and the next picture he’s down on the ground! when i first saw the article i was like WTF? they didn’t even show the tecnique, and then i read the article and realized why.

ROFL

Seems he is very popular, and you are not. He is not the only one out there doing this.

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha

lemme say that again:

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Now that’s one heckuva an endorsement! Where can I find some sicko who likes posting pics of dead, mutilated children to be my groupie?

hahaha

well, maybe i’ll just copy him, teach that pig $hit for a few years in a park or something, and then open a REAL kwoon. hahahaha

Empty force debunked

http://www.uechi-ryu.com/an_empty_force.htm

The article details a scientific controlled experiment.

Also, about Mooney’s claim that this nonsense came from YiQuan - a post from one of the YiQuan discussion boards:

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in fact, yu yongnian was only a health student of WXZ, but I
would like to add that in his book he discusses chi power and
kong jing, and says HIMSELF that it is only a matter of hypnotism
and suggestion, a fraud, not a paranormal power(he also refers to
James Landi and his test to unmask swindlers)…

Furthermore, Yu explains in details the differences between zhan
zhuang in YIQUAN and in QIGONG, saying that Zhan zhuang in Yiquan
cannot be assimilated to a “static qigong” : WXZ never accepted
to assimilate zhan zhuang and static QiGong…

Anyway, that is not because some guys said they have studied
under someone that they are representative of his teaching.

Best Regards,

Rick Matz

fongdoeduk is Rich Mooney. He’s trolling for suckers again. The website says nothing about cancer anymore, because it’s been re-vamped since we here at KFO ripped him up last time he came on the forum selling snakeoil. Do a search here for Mooney - he shows up every month or so to get his free publicity, and we keep booing him off stage. For some weird reason, he keeps thinking forum members have Alzheimers and won’t remember him or his tactics.

Dear Monkey,
I do hope you are not seriously defending this charlatan.
You, I assume are a grown up, and therefore don’t believe in Santa Claus, yet you ask my experience of these technique.

I totally agree with crushing fist, in that I have spent no time whatsoever studying this as it is FAKE, and instead have spent my valuable time attempting to gain an understanding of martial arts, not levitation, disappearing in a cloud of smoke or any other stage show trick!

The reason I even posted this is because innocents might believe this garbage, and hand over their hard earned cash to this gentleman.

Jon, I like your idea!
Wouldn’t it be fun to walk along the street making people fall over as you go past them.

My God people, if these claims were true do you not think that the US Government/Military would employ him as an assasin.
Sh1t, he could take out BinLaden whlie he’s having a cr@p.

I am now going to leave the realms of fantasy and return to planet earth!

regards
Colin…

Lin Kong Jing NOT Debunked

Grandmaster mooney is legit. He gets to go all over the world and teach in many different places. These people have him back all the time.

Colin: you are wrong. Mooney IS legit. In fact he has been back and forth to your country about 6 times now. He has been published in jst about every majotr martial arts magazine in the UK, and also the US.

He is a martial arts GOD (Not wuite the GOD I AM, but close). His skills are excellent, and all I see is a bunch of jealous people:) :D:D:D

So what if I am a little bit off the deep end, and somewhat left of centre. No biggie!

I know talent when I see it, and Grandmaster Mooney is one of the most talented martial artists on the face of the earth.

You, Colin, have no idea about his training, and do not know the limitations. I myself have ordered and have trained in Grandmaster Mooney’s methods, and I have to say that they do work. Not all the time, and not against all people, but they DO work.

At least I have a good opinion on the matter, unlike you and some other jealous types.

Dillman is doing it, jack Hoagna is doing it, many others in the DKI do it also, in their own way, after their won fashion. Grandmaster Mooney is a martial arts pioneer, and if people like you get your toes stepped on, while he is on the way
up to bigger and better things, then so be it:)

Rick Matz: you are also wrong. Grandmaster Mooney is in the lineage of Wang Xiang Zhai, and I am sure that if Wang were alive today, he would have only great things to say regards Grandmaster Richard Mooney. He would say that Mooney is a martial artist’s martial artsist. I tend to agree.

Rich, you failed miserably when tested under scientific conditions, and you now refuse to prove your “abilities” to anyone, including truly respected taiji practicioners willing to come to you. (http://www.kungfu4u.com/) You’re a cowardly fake.

There is notning even remotely legitimate about you, but you are an excellent conman. You even conned the lazy editors of KFO into publishing your garbage as filler. You actually have the gall to claim you can disarm a knife attack without touching someone. Prove it, you dangerous fraud. Prove it publicly, in a scientific test. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you’ve been there and didn’t do that.

Anyone who wants to know the truth needs only to do a search for “Mooney” right here on KFO. Your background is fake, your claims are fake, and your tactics are reprehensible. Oh, and there’s something really twisted about you, Rich, what with those dead baby pics and all. You need head help.

:rolleyes:

Who the **** are YOU??!!

Who asked for your ****ing opinion?

Go **** yourself with your dogs ****

God**** mother ****ing worthless
****ing piece of ****

no good ****ing ****

Wow, good call Jas, fungdoeduk has followed exactly the same strategic trajectory as all of Mooney’s other aliases. Started out by pretending to be sincerely interested, and then responding to other people’s BS defense with decreasing maturity. The dead baby pics aren’t far off now. Jesus, I would think whoever Mooney studied with probably knew better than to teach him anything of any value, so maybe he fed him all this lin kong crap just to keep the checks coming and to keep Mooney from causing any harm… just let him insulate himself from reality in his jedi fantasy world.