I am pleased to announce that Grandmaster Lee-Sun-Wah (Lee-Lien/Ah-Gore-Lien) son of Great Grandmaster Lee-Yin-Sing has appointed:
John F. Springer of Maryland USA as his official representative for the United States
and
‘Aussie’ John Lee and Les williams, representatives for Australia.
Steve Richards,
Disciple and nominated co-successor to Grandmaster Lee.
“Nominated”???
So who gets to vote on it?
Who “nominated” you???
If you read the post it is clear that Grandmaster Lee made the appointments - which is entirely within his gift. As for ‘nominated’ the word is derived from Latin: nominatusmeaning to ‘designate, to mention by name, to appoint to an office or duty’. Grandmaster Lee so nominated my Kung-Fu Brother Andy Liu-Kin-Ming and myself as witnessed by his blood family and Pai. It is in that capacity that I make the announcement on behalf of Grandmaster Lee and the Lee-Yin-Sing Pai.
Fukien
Steve:
I know this guy from his posts a couple of years back. He’s a disgruntled former student of Norman Chin who got ‘priced out’ and apparently didn’t show sufficient promise for Norman to make accommodations.
He knows nothing and is no one. As you can see from his pedestrian understanding of things that are context based the guy is an Internet surfer and SPM neophyte (if he ever got that far).
His main tactic is to goad someone into ‘proving him wrong’ and then he co-opts the information. That’s how Fukien ‘develops’ his knowledge base.
I see from his challenging, and ate up disrespectful post, that he hasn’t ‘improved’ and still refuses to do what’s necessary to get inside the door.
Your choice, but you might consider ignoring him.
John
Wrong!
Fukien is a SPM practitioner unrelated to N.Chin, In fact he also practices the little known Hakka Unicorn style. As for being opposed to Norman, my god, everyone whose had to deal with him is disgruntled!
Never have been…
I have never have been a “student” of Norman.
My Unicorn Sifu only teaches privately and for no money.
My original question was about the strange choice of words used.
Two people were appointed, and one was nominated.
I wanted to know the difference, and I got a answer.
Thank you.P
Fukien
Still Thinking Follower:
>Wrong!
Nope, 100% correct.
>Fukien is a SPM practitioner unrelated to N.Chin, In fact he also practices the little known Hakka Unicorn style.
Never stated that he was related and his posts reveal his ‘relationship’ quite clearly. Nice try at muddying the waters <g>
>As for being opposed to Norman, my god, everyone whose had to deal with him is disgruntled!
Sure, in '74 I heard the same thing about Lum Sang. Same deal applied to Ho Dun, with a couple of ‘additions’ <g> Yet again, same thing said about Mark Foon. So from the poseur and wannabe crowd I consider opposition and disgruntlement to be a hall mark of authenticity. John
Muddy Waters
Yes, Red Eyebrow I am still thinking, But I dont know of any connection between Fukien and Norman.
As for disgruntled students in SPM, yes in each generation, Bravo! For the record I have known Fukien’s Sifu for over twenty years and I also know his teacher who studied with Lum Sang.
Back then I was unsuccessful in “getting in” because I was’nt Hakka, but my friend (Fukien’s teacher) did get in. I have seen him train Fukien in both Tong Long and Chi Lin boxing systems.
Muddy
>Yes, Red Eyebrow I am still thinking, But I dont know of any connection between Fukien and Norman.
Irrelevant as my post was to Steve. You’re the one who decided to wade into something that is none of your business. That is, unless you have a formal responsibility with regard to Fukien.
>As for disgruntled students in SPM, yes in each generation, Bravo!
Not at all limited to SPM. Seems that art, regardless of medium, polarizes the masses into those who ‘get’ it and those who cast stones because they can’t get it.
>For the record I have known Fukien’s Sifu for over twenty years and I also know his teacher who studied with Lum Sang.
Then for the ‘record’ Fukien should know better than to show his ass in public. Particularly to another senior ranking Pai member.
>Back then I was unsuccessful in “getting in” because I was’nt Hakka, but my friend (Fukien’s teacher) did get in. I have seen him train Fukien in both Tong Long and Chi Lin boxing systems.
Understood on the non-Hakka end of it. Shame that cultural pride is sometimes taken to an extreme and is reduced to nothing more than bigotry and/or racism. John
Hungmei
"Then for the ‘record’ Fukien should know better than to show his ass in public. Particularly to another senior ranking Pai member. "
Am I supposed to take that as some kind of threat?
Fukien
"Then for the ‘record’ Fukien should know better than to show his ass in public. Particularly to another senior ranking Pai member. "
>Am I supposed to take that as some kind of threat?
It was, and is, a statement of fact. You’re none too bright. Since I’m in your geographical area I extend an invitation to meet with me (Statement of Fact). After all, kong sau is the time honored
and traditional way of resolving these things (Statement of Fact). Ask your Sifu if this escapes your addled mind and be sure to show him some “examples†of your forum posts throughout the years 
John
hungmei
I’ll let you know the next time I come up North. :-)c
Fukien
>I’ll let you know the next time I come up North. :-)c
I’m in your area (Surprised? The word is ‘trapped’), not up North. Now what’s it going to be? You can either do the right thing and apologize to Steve for your disrespectful post, or you can accept my kind and generous offer to personally hand guide you through the process of discovering the error of your ways 
John
Uncalled for!
Hung Mei, As a Gung Fu uncle of sorts to Fukien, I jumped into someone elses business, only to state that he was from another line. Now of course I personaly can tell you what problem children exsist in SPM but from your challenge to Fukien, Its obvious your one also! Perhaps it was none of our business as to who was appointed or nominated whatever in Lee Yin Sing Jook Lum. Still this is a public forum and the announcement was made. All announcements tend to draw questions and Fukien asked his. Now it has turned into another internet challenge.
[This message was edited by Self-Thinking Follower on 08-28-01 at 05:11 PM.]
Still Thinking Follower
>Hung Mei, As a Gung Fu uncle of sorts to Fukien, I jumped into someone elses business, only to state that he was from another line.
Nope, what you attempted to do was validate his disrespectful posts to Steve. As an Uncle you are an abysmal failure.
>Now of course I personaly can tell you what problem children exsist in SPM . . .
And any good Uncle would have immediately reeled in his charge.
>. . . but from your challenge to Fukien, Its obvious your one also!
What is obvious is that you are in no position to serve as anyone’s Uncle.
>Perhaps it was none of our business as to who was appointed or nominated whatever in Lee Yin Sing Jook Lum.
Irrelevant. Doesn’t excuse Fukien’s behavior.
>Still this is a public forum and the announcement was made. All announcements tend to draw questions and Fukien asked his.
Rubbish. Who is Fukien’s Sifu? Fukien is his disciple and his responsibility.
>Now it has turned into another internet challenge.
Nope, now it has turned into a matter of Fukien either doing the right thing or putting his hands where his mouth is. John
“the challenge”
Hungmei,
I have a challenge for you.
Please point out anything I have said in this very public forum about Steve Richards that is not true.Å’
Perhaps
Hung mei, knowing that Fukien’s teacher does’nt even own a computer and most likely has’nt been told what was posted here, I will leave this matter between Fukien and you, to resolve as you see fit. Since you are in his area, and made yourself known, no doubt some contact will occur.
My hopes are that no one else gets involved and you both can remain civil.
Uncle, I want to know…
Uncle,
What was so disrespectful about what I posted;
“My original question was about the strange choice of words used.
Two people were appointed, and one was nominated.
I wanted to know the difference, and I got a answer.
Thank you.”
Hey, I THANKED Si-Fu Richards for clarifying the point.
Now Jack COULD have just picked up the phone and called his new “si-fu” and
tell him that he is all bent out of shape about my post, but noooooooo,
but he chose to threaten to me on this public forum.
I wonder if the threat was made at the request of Si-Fu Richards, or
is Jack taking matters into his own hands?
If he is doing this on his own, perhaps he should read his own words:
“and any good Uncle would have immediately reeled in his charge.”
" Rubbish…Fukien is his disciple and his responsibility. "
Is Jack being a hypocrite, an out of control student, or just the Jack
we all know and love from the Chow Gar board???
Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm…
Fukien,
This is NOT a very public forum, it is far from the original Roman meaning of the term. Indeed, it is a literal ‘virtual’ space where there is no obligation at all for face-face person-person communication. If it where truly public then there would be no anonymity and no oportunity for the kind of distortions indulged in by some people. That said, I accept of course the right of people in this virtual space to maintain their anonymity.
However it was YOU who started this process by making personal attacks, and with respect to your initial response to the announcement from Grandmaster Lee a reasonable person could be expected to construe your remarks as a mocking insolence veiled by your anonymity. You know full well the meaning of the term ‘nominated’: you for example claim that Lam-Sang did not nominate a successor. Grandmaster Lee is making his position very clear. There are to be two nominated co-successors to his Pai (as named in the follow up post to the one above). We will have the responsibilty to care for the Lee-Yin-Sing Alter, and to continue on with Grandmaster Lee’s personal school.
You accused my student Barefoot of being me, you made personal attacks against me in what YOU call this very public forum. You then post in a feigned incredulous way over the terms ‘appointed’ and ‘nominated’. All very 'brave’and just the kind of thing that can be expected from a disenfranchised no-face who is motivated by bitter jealousy.
Jack’s response to you was entirely appropriate from within a traditional framework. Why should an annonymous person who posts insults be given any credibility at all? If your intentions were benign you could have phrased your questions differently, other posters do on this forum, not just of me but of one another. Its simply about good manners or the lack thereof.
To make it crytsal clear in case you are lacking in intelligence, Jack is Grandmaster Lee’s student not mine - a further insult. Jack has every right to respond to you as he sees fit given your attitude.
Further, Jack’s identity, and mine, are transparent to anyone, whereas you who bleat on about truth conceal yourself behind the lie of annonymity (which of course is your perfct right).
However, if you choose to make a no-mark of yourself and to make utterly unprovoked attacks on others, then you may expect to be called to account.
If you have a difficulty towards me then you are free to approach me in person about it.
“fukien”
The more you respond… the more you prove others right.