can someone please tell me who supplies these black markets if not “law abiding citizens”?
[QUOTE=FuXnDajenariht;743270]can someone please tell me who supplies these black markets if not “law abiding citizens”?[/QUOTE]
well, criminals…
don’t you think?
let’s see… selling on the black market is a crime sooooooo…
its similar to money laundering…often non criminals unknowning assist the criminal activity.
we’ve gone past that point however
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It depends on what your view of that point is. Hunting is more than just trophy killing. Hunting is part of wildlife management and is important in culling those numbers to keep a healthy ecological capacity. It ensures that wildlife populations of game species are sustainable from one generation to the next. Hunters greatly support the enviroment and in keeping natural habitats to be kept intact and unpolluted. Also the tax income generated from hunting activities goes to enchancing wildlife ecosystems, maintaining parks and refuges for game and nongame species.
i find killing animals for sport wrong.
I can understand that. When I hunt I don’t take anything I am not willing to eat.
its just an outdated point
I don’t think so and neither do millions of other people. It’s a good thing to learn wildcraft and to take responsibilty to understand where all this food from the supermarket comes from that we enjoy.
i can understand where your coming from, i just cant take life unless i have to.
as long as you actually eat, and make use of the bones and pelts then its totally natural.
but what % of hunters actually do that. I know **** Cheney just shoots his friends 
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;743275].
It depends on what your view of that point is. Hunting is more than just trophy killing. Hunting is part of wildlife management and is important in culling those numbers to keep a healthy ecological capacity. It ensures that wildlife populations of game species are sustainable from one generation to the next. Hunters greatly support the enviroment and in keeping natural habitats to be kept intact and unpolluted. Also the tax income generated from hunting activities goes to enchancing wildlife ecosystems, maintaining parks and refuges for game and nongame species.
I can understand that. When I hunt I don’t take anything I am not willing to eat.
I don’t think so and neither do millions of other people. It’s a good thing to learn wildcraft and to take responsibilty to understand where all this food from the supermarket comes from that we enjoy.:)[/QUOTE]
i agree with that
however a lack of guns in the non sporting sector would undoubtedly reduce gun crime would it not ??
after all a large part of gun crime is as a result of guns bought legally being stolen
lol “law abiding citizens” notice the sarcasm marks?
im saying if the only things that disqualifies someone from buying a gun is having a felony then thats not a very good system of checks and balances. hell i know of people who bought and sold them. its a weak system which allows easy access to guns for criminals under the guise of letting citizens protect themselves. most law abiding citizens i know up north find guns distasteful, so they wouldn’t buy them anyway. that might me a cultural thing since i know its the exact opposite down south. but really think about who these laws are benefiting and protecting, since i know plenty of criminals without felonies.
however a lack of guns in the non sporting sector would undoubtedly reduce gun crime would it not ??
No it would not. The best way to look at it in the most simple fashion and its been said by someone up above I believe is this-
Criminals do not follow gun laws. They do not follow the countless one’s we have on the books now nor the current unconstitutional city specific bans in place nor anything else for that matter. The only person who gets the shaft is the law abiding person who seeks to defend life, liberty and property.
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;743275].
It depends on what your view of that point is. Hunting is more than just trophy killing. Hunting is part of wildlife management and is important in culling those numbers to keep a healthy ecological capacity. It ensures that wildlife populations of game species are sustainable from one generation to the next. Hunters greatly support the enviroment and in keeping natural habitats to be kept intact and unpolluted. Also the tax income generated from hunting activities goes to enchancing wildlife ecosystems, maintaining parks and refuges for game and nongame species.
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we already had a system of wildlife management. they were called predators, but they were hunted close to extinction…
[QUOTE=FuXnDajenariht;743286]we already had a system of wildlife management. they were called predators, but they were hunted close to extinction…[/QUOTE]
Predators are not usually hunted to extinction because we generally don’t eat them. They usually go extinct either because of habitat destruction or because their prey population is dwindled (either through over-hunting, disease, or habitat destruction).
yes but when we take their territories, which leads to prey populations declining, and then we build farms with a steady supply of alternative food sources (livestock). they become a threat to us. they become competition and wildlife will always lose in that misguided battle. if i recall correctly the government allowed farmers to shoot coyotes and wolves for this very reason. i could be mistaken though. i do know the wolf population just started returning back to normal levels though, whatever the reason for their decline was.
i think the only predators that are hunted to extinction are those with pelts or some other expensive bodily part that people like to turn into fat old rich lady clothes.
but im sorry i think i derailed the thread a bit.
this was supposed to be about me being able to buy a gun so i can kill a mo fo for messin with my shiat!
i can understand where your coming from, i just cant take life unless i have to. As long as you actually eat, and make use of the bones and pelts then its totally natural
I see that view. I just happen to relish the experiance of the hunt and happen to really enjoy the taste of wild duck, quail, pheasent, turkey and occasionally rabbit.
Now, I don’t use the pelts nor bones but the flesh goes to a good use.
maybe if we put the human flesh to good use people wont mind guns so much…
i kid i kid 
i dont think the majority of Americans even consider shooting someone as an option to tell you the truth. its atleast highly overestimated. how many NRA members are their actually out of our total population? and the NRA is another lobby just like any other. the only exception is with what in my opinion is an outdated constitutional law backing them. that law was made in a climate of war, with everyone in a revolutionary and rebellious mindstate unsure of what the fuute might bring.
needless to say times have changed. now you have militias thinking they will somehow one day have to overthrow the largest most technologically advanced military in the world with a few hunting weapons. :rolleyes: violent revolutions haven’t worked out to well. check the track record.
we just need to work on reaching a utopic society where all restaraunts are Taco Bell, and we chriogenically freeze our criminals. we will force everyone who does not agree to live in the sewers and eat rat burgers.
then when Wesley Snipes wakes up and tries to kill us all, Sylvester Stalone will bring back the firearm.
its a vicious cycle.
and what the h3ll is up with the d@mn 3 seashells.
how many NRA members are their actually out of our total population
The NRA is not even close to a total showcase of all legal gun owners in America. I know plenty of firearm owners who are not members of that specific lobby, a lobby I do support however.
The bottom line is that firearm ownership is a sacred legacy of our countries liberity and there is a reason our fore fathers included in the second amendment to the Constitution the words,“shall not be infringed.”
yes. to not be infringed by the British empire. it was a political statement.
suppose the U.S. put a ban on all guns.
would criminals still get them? yes.
then everyone would literally be forced to bring a knife to a gun fight.
its too easy to get ANYTHING in america illegally.
Im pretty sure there is a big ass ban on Heroine…but i just saw a news report that a local bust of 40 lbs. was just made.
that would be firearms instead, they would still be on the street, they would still be used in crime.
perhaps the % would change on how often a firearm is used in a hostile crime, but it wont go away.
what will go away will be every single instance where a legal gun owner saved his life or that of a family member because he was legally allowed to own a firearm and protect his family.
its a technological tool that you cannot simply snuff out. especially with how freaking large america is.
you think its easy to keep crap out of our country with how large our borders are? no way.
i dont own a gun but im all for keeping my right to do so if i ever want to.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;743289]Predators are not usually hunted to extinction because we generally don’t eat them. They usually go extinct either because of habitat destruction or because their prey population is dwindled (either through over-hunting, disease, or habitat destruction).[/QUOTE]
You sure about that?
We don’t eat them, true. We do kill them to protect our livestock though.
Wolves, Coyotes, etc…
We also kill them because we fear them
Sharks, Mountain Lions, etc.
I know these have not been hunted to extinction… but they came pretty close, and not at all through habitat loss or starvation.