[QUOTE=CYMac;1092871]I was in my bedroom, I had my FU around my neck…the FU had sealed my yin-eye so I could only feel and hear them, I couldn’t see them anymore. I started to hear some animal noises…- Ahsun S[/quote]
I believe there are many versions of this story online, especially from Japan.
As for cultiness, it’s always the same crap, whether it’s politicos leading voters around based on fear and the voter’s desire to be special, martial cults leading people around based around fear and the need to feel special, whatever. It’s easy to seem charismatic when the only relationship you allow is dependence, but it’s the recourse of a weak and lonely individual. I have not seen the rewards of a personality cult, money and authority, offset the costs, insular existence and the need to control true family because they otherwise would make their own decisions about what your behavior means.
This is why I’m not as enamored of mystical taoism. At best, since there are standard things they do based on tradition, there are more controls, but it too easily falls into all the same traps, much like any religion. It misses the Taoist argument that moral systems fail by becoming self perpetuating, by becoming orthodoxies, so that morality becomes by rote, and things are assigned a moral role ahead of time by the need to assign a moral role, not by their actual relation at that moment with morality. Moral systems always seem to ascribe moral values to non-moral issues, in the long run, and then we can feel justified in talking about the mystical mojo at the opposite end of our shotgun, and not feel sociopathic.
A cult or not, is really depend on how you take it or does it work or not. Sometimes people got trapped to bad paths and have bad experience, and so they start to say all religions are cults too. So what? As long as you believe you what you believe, and others beleive what they believe, that’s no problem already. There are many who believe in Jesus too, if you call that a cult, see what happen in some social circles, I am sure people want to smash you in the head too. I personally don’t believe in that myself, and so I also say that’s a cult. Um.. so.. who cares. I don’t know what I am trying to say now.. argh… :mad:
:D;):rolleyes::):mad::p:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=CYMac;1094710]A cult or not, is really depend on how you take it or does it work or not. Sometimes people got trapped to bad paths and have bad experience, and so they start to say all religions are cults too. So what? As long as you believe you what you believe, and others beleive what they believe, that’s no problem already. There are many who believe in Jesus too, if you call that a cult, see what happen in some social circles, I am sure people want to smash you in the head too. I personally don’t believe in that myself, and so I also say that’s a cult. Um.. so.. who cares. I don’t know what I am trying to say now.. argh… :mad::D;):rolleyes::):mad::p:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
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Where I suggest the cult distinction rests is in setting up someone or some small group as exclusively privvy to sources of wisdom, with no recourse to outside sources that can mitigate the flaws of anyone or any small group’s errors of judgment.
To clarify, by making a sect based around a deity that only speaks to two people, that the other members must see as the only source, is asking for abuse, as the membership must constantly take for granted that what is coming from those people is divine, which rules out their human foibles.
In addition, such setups seem to always lead to circumstances where there is no room for criticism, so that members who exercise their right to their own judgment end up being ostracized based on simply disagreeing, creating an us or them dynamic.
Additionally, once one accepts that a group has a divine base, one must accept that the events surrounding them do as well, which logically moves divinity away from any center and to all participants, yet insular groups fight this tooth and nail.
To finish, the litmus, when discussing a group that, in addition to divine claims, deals in quantifiable topics like martial arts or healing, should be that, if the divine aspect were ignored in judgment, does the other aspect measure compared with others in the field first, and does it function. Divine arguments invariably muddy any such judgment for the members inside the circle, and are an easy way to sell an otherwise difficult to sell ordinary product.
Further, extreme claims simply aren’t supported by Taoism in most cases.
Cults that transition, over centuries, into religions, tend to adopt traditions that disperse ownership of the claims of the religion, so that, while one could argue that early Christianity was a cult, most established Christianity is merely religion, with enclaves acting cultish based around recentering the divine claims on some new messiah or prophet.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1094728]Where I suggest the cult distinction rests is in setting up someone or some small group as exclusively privvy to sources of wisdom, with no recourse to outside sources that can mitigate the flaws of anyone or any small group’s errors of judgment.
To clarify, by making a sect based around a deity that only speaks to two people, that the other members must see as the only source, is asking for abuse, as the membership must constantly take for granted that what is coming from those people is divine, which rules out their human foibles.
In addition, such setups seem to always lead to circumstances where there is no room for criticism, so that members who exercise their right to their own judgment end up being ostracized based on simply disagreeing, creating an us or them dynamic.
Additionally, once one accepts that a group has a divine base, one must accept that the events surrounding them do as well, which logically moves divinity away from any center and to all participants, yet insular groups fight this tooth and nail.
To finish, the litmus, when discussing a group that, in addition to divine claims, deals in quantifiable topics like martial arts or healing, should be that, if the divine aspect were ignored in judgment, does the other aspect measure compared with others in the field first, and does it function. Divine arguments invariably muddy any such judgment for the members inside the circle, and are an easy way to sell an otherwise difficult to sell ordinary product.
Further, extreme claims simply aren’t supported by Taoism in most cases.
Cults that transition, over centuries, into religions, tend to adopt traditions that disperse ownership of the claims of the religion, so that, while one could argue that early Christianity was a cult, most established Christianity is merely religion, with enclaves acting cultish based around recentering the divine claims on some new messiah or prophet.[/QUOTE]
Can you clarify what do you mean by “cult” here? I google translate it and it came up with (evil religion)…
By the way, deities we claim to be true don’t only speak to us two (me and my fiancee), even an indian lady (our client who got an altar setup by us) also got the communication, my student Tin Wor (a chinese) also got the communication. Then now my two US students (white) also starting to get some communication back and forth also. FYI.
[QUOTE=CYMac;1094730]Can you clarify what do you mean by “cult” here? I google translate it and it came up with (evil religion)…
By the way, deities we claim to be true don’t only speak to us two (me and my fiancee), even an indian lady (our client who got an altar setup by us) also got the communication, my student Tin Wor (a chinese) also got the communication. Then now my two US students (white) also starting to get some communication back and forth also. FYI.[/QUOTE]
Your texts specifically say only to the two. You could update that.
I would say “evil religion” is an inexact translation. Cults tend to have a number of traits, insular being almost a given. Most religion springs from one cult or another. I’ll reserve my judgment on what that means.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1094735]Your texts specifically say only to the two. You could update that.
I would say “evil religion” is an inexact translation. Cults tend to have a number of traits, insular being almost a given. Most religion springs from one cult or another. I’ll reserve my judgment on what that means.[/QUOTE]
yeah, my text was saying “when the lineage started”, but as we advance, we have others who learn the lineage also get communication as well, and that is why there are testimonials coming up as we progress.
The definition of cult is very argueable, but anyway it doesn’t sounds nice. haha!
This is like a cross between Scientology and Lord of the Rings.
I couldn’t have stated it more bluntly with a string of derogatory comments. 
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1094867]__________________
I couldn’t have stated it more bluntly with a string of derogatory comments. :D[/QUOTE]
It’s only because you are unexposed to the subject, that’s why you are freaked out on it. If you know about it, you will laugh at the comment made more than I do. Just purely – uneducated.
I’m still profoundly amazed you believe this extreme doctorine. I have my own beliefs but you take the cake. your like a far left/right of both extremes.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1094877]I’m still profoundly amazed you believe this extreme doctorine. I have my own beliefs but you take the cake. your like a far left/right of both extremes.[/QUOTE]
What extreme? ???
Dude, if you don’t live in your homeland, YOU’RE the foreigner. 