have any of you ever studied with him?
the subject of the “wandering taoist” books.
or,
have you ever read the book"chronicles of tao",
if so what did you think?
Great book. I think it’s really cool. Just beware–they try and make it seem like that book is actually a biography of him and his life. It’s not. It’s a work of fiction. But cool nonetheless.
Chronicles of Tao
I actually received this book for Christmas, I’m about half way through it. So far it is excellent. Does anyone know if the author has written any other books, and if so, are they any good?
Peace All
deng ming Dao Is his seinor student.
he also wrote:
The scolar warrior and 365 days of the Tao, Both are very good.
I studied with him in the mid 90’s.
His knowledge is beyond. Period.
He’s the only man I know of alive that holds lineage from some of Chinas top legends. Yang cheng Fu, Fu Chen Sung, Sun Lu tang
Wang Zi Ping and 2 others i can’t remember. If you can learn from him I suggest that you do He knows things that most modern instructors don’t. Last I know, he was living in massitussis(Excuse the spelling)
Peace
Maoshan
Kwan’s lineage is not what he claims…but it makes good press…
I know of two of your instances that are 100% false…
There are direct descendants of those he claims to have learned from in the US…check with them about hs credentials…
Whether or not he is any good…claiming a lineage that is not rightfully yours is something less than honest…
GLW
would one of these claims be wang ziping?
i noticed you were from houston,tx. , do you know wang jurong?
i was wondering who the other claim may be,
i thank everyone who replied to this post.
Kwan Saihung was not one of Grandmaster (Tai Laoshi) Wang Ziping’s students.
GLW
i have always suspected this book was part fiction,
there is no way to veify his linage,other then his word,
i wonder who he really did train with,
any ideas?
it was a good book to read,i would recommend it but,
the author writes it like it`s a fact,i have strong suspicions that this is not the case.
you can easily come away with the idea that kwan is 10 feet tall.
GLW,
Maybe your right, I don’t know.
What I do know is he taught with authority and knowledge.
Besides, My only interest was Ba-Gua and what I got from him I’ve able to conferm throught other sources.
From what I know of the book, it was based on his life.
and being a true taoist, his true story will always be hidden.
Peace
Maoshan
heres his site
http://www.easternhealthpractices.org/
I’ve also heard he’s a fraud though, so beware.
Wow, he looks great for 65 !!!
a few questions
is he 65?
he would have to be that if he studied with the people he said
he did,did he?
i did enjoy the book but,there is a difference between cross
referencing the material taught and the lineage,
taoist or not,is there not a certain amount of responsibility
on the teachers part to be able to cleary demonstrate there lineage?
other then line drawings,which were in the original versions of
of this triology.
for example,on the website “whisper beautys tai chi garden” he released a statement that the book was part fiction, which part? and, that he was now going to write an autobiography,essentially it seems,beggining to back off his original story,
whats next,how about he didn`t know what deng ming dao wrote
and therefore not resonsible for what the book says,
that would be 18 years since the first book was released in 1984.
thats just a guess,
i thank everyone who has taken the time to post on this thread.
Kwan Sai-Hung was born in ShaanXi province 1920.
The caption under the pictures said they were taken in 1985! So now he would be 82 !!
"From what I know of the book, it was based on his life.
and being a true taoist, his true story will always be hidden. "
I wish I had known that would work when I was a kid…
Picture it. Football on the floor with a lot of glass…a broken lamp…and my mom asking me in my room if I broke the lamp. I say NO…
Then she calls me to the living room…points out MY football in the parts of the broken lamp…and I say…“That may be, but its OK mom, I am a Taoist…”
A true Taoist may not talk about his past..such things are not important at all to a true Taoist…but likewise, lies about ones past are not Taoism.
i spoke to my sifu this week about this subject, his opinion seems to be that although some things are questionable about Kwan Saihung, his qigong is authentic…
not sure if this helps, i don’t want to go into too much detail, but there were a few examples given about the ‘questionable’ parts.
grey mystik
interesting,
so the story is the book is fiction but the chi kung is not?
where the discrepancys historical in nature?
it is easy to hide at least 12 years in the way the book was written.
did your sifu ever meet kwan saihung?
to claim to be a part of a lneage that you are not can be a serious
issue among traditional sifu.he not only claims to have trained with certain high level martial artists but,is a disciple,which indicates that he is a standard bearer or inheritor,therefore if this is true,he has vowed to certain responsibilitys to see that these
systems are passed on before he does.
to live in seclusion as a taoist (he does ,according to the book represent taoism and lives in seclusion) and to do this seems contradictory,
as does obscureing facts about your personnel history,therefore
causeing perspective students to lose faith,you can not hide the truth forever,i do not know how he could start out being one person and then become another over a course of time without the student loseing faith.
the bottem line,the book is fiction,he claims it as a biography,
it was written to make money and so it did.
my question is,do you think this is ethical?
Talking about your past does not taking away from who you are, its means is helping others understand who they are. The tao is defined by the practitioner.
nexus & others
i would like to thank everyone who has taken time to post on this thread.
your insights have been invaluable,
i felt that these questions needed to be asked.
they where generated by kindness toward all of my fellow martial artists.
no disrespect was intended,
i am certain kwan saihung is a fine teacher and a practioner of the highest level of the taoist arts as revealed in scholar-
warrior,a very accessable book,clearly explaining foundation practices.
TTT
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