# Kung Fu in MMA **URL:** \ **Category:** Mixed Martial Arts\ **Created:** [May 7, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769 "2007-05-07T01:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/21 "2007-05-08T20:39:16Z")
[QUOTE=PangQuan;760928][http://www.cungle.com/sv/html/website/WebSite\_6/m\_main.jsp?&page=biography.html&id=6](http://www.cungle.com/sv/html/website/WebSite_6/m_main.jsp?&page=biography.html&id=6) you will notice his interests are as follows movies, MMA, BJJ, Sanshou…i think he put it to the back of the bus[/QUOTE] wow…pwnd.😛 ---
**Author:** ![PangQuan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9f8e36/32.png) [@PangQuan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PangQuan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/22 "2007-05-08T20:49:44Z")
BTW i generally dont count Cung Le’s third match cause it was called for a cut. although technically i guess his MMA record is 3-0 so i should say i cant wait for his 4th match?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/23 "2007-05-08T21:57:31Z")
It was an ok fight. I don’t know what his corner was saying to him. He could have won if he had some decent punching and kicking ability. The MMA guy barely won that fight. He kind of should be ashamed, especially after how much bad mouthing MMA guys do to KF. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/24 "2007-05-08T22:25:58Z")
TMA guys have been mouth bashing mma for years as well. I have old insude kung fu mags from like 1994 with articles explaining the easy cma way to defeat a grappler’s “tackle”. The bashing has definitely gone both ways. I actually hear more bashing from tma guys than mma guys. ---
**Author:** ![NJM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/njm/32/729_2.png) [@NJM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NJM)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/25 "2007-05-08T22:27:55Z")
[QUOTE=SevenStar;760983]TMA guys have been mouth bashing mma for years as well. I have old insude kung fu mags from like 1994 with articles explaining the easy cma way to defeat a grappler’s “tackle”. The bashing has definitely gone both ways. I actually hear more bashing from tma guys than mma guys.[/QUOTE] Maybe back then, but nowadays TMA and MMA bash each other pretty much equally. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/26 "2007-05-08T22:28:17Z")
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;760921]Is there an official resume? Or are you just relegating his cma to the back of the bus?[/QUOTE] I haven’t found a resume - yeah I looked, just for you - but I found that he started tkd when he was 10 and trained it for almost a year. He then wrestled from high school through college competitively - actually through the present since he still uses it in san shou. He started TKD again along with “vietnamese kung fu” when he was 19. ---
**Author:** ![Water\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ad7895/32.png) [@Water\_Dragon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Water_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/27 "2007-05-08T22:31:05Z")
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;760976]It was an ok fight. I don’t know what his corner was saying to him. He could have won if he had some decent punching and kicking ability. The MMA guy barely won that fight. He kind of should be ashamed, especially after how much bad mouthing MMA guys do to KF.[/QUOTE] Yes, Miguel should be ashamed, especially with a 41-1-0 record. Thing is, to prove Sev’s point above, this guy is probably one of the most humble people I have ever met. I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone, and yet, he gets bashed here by a nobody. Unfortunately, I’ve found this to be typical. The only thing that fight proved was how good Charles Wilson is. I was stunned when I saw Miguel get knocked down twice in the first round. Torres is known for his stand up just as much as his ground work. ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/28 "2007-05-08T22:45:44Z")
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;760989]Yes, Miguel should be ashamed, especially with a 41-1-0 record. Thing is, to prove Sev’s point above, this guy is probably one of the most humble people I have ever met. I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone, and yet, he gets bashed here by a nobody. Unfortunately, I’ve found this to be typical. The only thing that fight proved was how good Charles Wilson is. I was stunned when I saw Miguel get knocked down twice in the first round. Torres is known for his stand up just as much as his ground work.[/QUOTE] Yes. With a 41-1-0 record and barely beating a guy (4-5) who has pretty average kicks, he should be. Was this a three round match? If it was and the match continued the way it was going, who would win? It would have been up for grabs. ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/29 "2007-05-08T22:56:37Z")
[QUOTE=SevenStar;760983]TMA guys have been mouth bashing mma for years as well. I have old insude kung fu mags from like 1994 with articles explaining the easy cma way to defeat a grappler’s “tackle”. The bashing has definitely gone both ways. I actually hear more bashing from tma guys than mma guys.[/QUOTE] Ok. That is one article. It was probably written by a master who never fought in his life. You know as well as I know that there isn’t an easy way to defeat a grapple’s “tackle”. I think I remember an article that was somewhere along those lines. I laughed at it then. Go to a MMA forum. Go to bullshido (I wish back when it was mcdojos). Read what they have to say about kung fu. ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/30 "2007-05-08T23:04:20Z")
Sevenstar Don’t get me wrong. I am kind of happy that MMA guys and BBJ guys are calling Kung fu guys out. It is cleaning out all of the bums and weak styles. A lot of that crap has to go. I am just talking about the fact that when I walk into a school and they ask what do I do and I say kung fu and they say “Oh… That’s cool… Uh have you used it in a fight?” Mind you, they are being smug about it. Some have said it is a waste of time (TMA). ---
**Author:** ![Water\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ad7895/32.png) [@Water\_Dragon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Water_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/31 "2007-05-08T23:18:54Z")
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;760996]Yes. With a 41-1-0 record and barely beating a guy (4-5) who has pretty average kicks, he should be. Was this a three round match? If it was and the match continued the way it was going, who would win? It would have been up for grabs.[/QUOTE] I guess that’s your opinion. After training with the guy for 2 1/2 years, I’d say your opinion is way off the mark. Here’s a highlight video that has some of Miguel’s stand up. To me, that shows how good Wilson really is. He impressed the heck outta me. You kinda just insulted the both of them with your comment. Torres Highlights [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XR\_mxNr-1k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D170467588%26MyToken%3D854c5d12-e128-456c-84b](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XR_mxNr-1k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendid%3D170467588%26MyToken%3D854c5d12%2De128%2D456c%2D84b) ---
**Author:** ![Vash](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vash/32/417_2.png) [@Vash](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vash)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/32 "2007-05-08T23:21:12Z")
Wowzers. . . . when did it get so negative? Is a new forum name that horrible? ---
**Author:** ![Water\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ad7895/32.png) [@Water\_Dragon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Water_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/33 "2007-05-08T23:41:21Z")
[QUOTE=SevenStar;760959]who cares about his resume? is he PURE kung fu? even you aren’t that anal. He’s definitely a cma guy, but he’s not a pure cma like you guys seem to claim if he’s trained arts other than cma.[/QUOTE] I never understood this argument on either side. Cung Le trains San Shou, he’s a San Shou guy. To me, it’s really that simple. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/34 "2007-05-08T23:45:04Z")
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;761029]I never understood this argument on either side. Cung Le trains San Shou, he’s a San Shou guy. To me, it’s really that simple.[/QUOTE] yeah, you would think. But san shou = chinese, so once again, he is a pure cma… it’s ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Water\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ad7895/32.png) [@Water\_Dragon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Water_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/35 "2007-05-08T23:50:46Z")
Nobody’s pure anything in this arena. I’ve done Tai Chi, Shuai Chiao, Muay Thai, Boxing, and BJJ, but if you ask me what I am, I’m a Judo guy. Cause that’s what I do. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:52pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/36 "2007-05-08T23:52:13Z")
[QUOTE=NJM;760986]Maybe back then, but nowadays TMA and MMA bash each other pretty much equally.[/QUOTE] No, they don’t really. And I am referring to real life encounters, not the web. when I first started at my current school, they were really interested that I trained kung fu - they wanted to see it. As far as they are concerned, if you can make it work, it’s good. However, at my CMA school, they made me and another guy stop training grappling during the open mat sessions. consequently, we stopped going to the open mat sessions and started using some space in the field house of a nearby university. When talking to a cashier who recognized us from the mma school, we invited him to come train sometime. He declined and said he trained a traditional art and could not be taken to the ground. I was once told by a cma “boxers have no skill, they just stand and slug each other” I was once told that after three months of grappling any CMA would be better than a bjj blue belt. Heck, just TODAY - like two hours ago - my friend said she decided to learn kung fu and not “that cagefighting stuff” that I do, because kung fu is more deadly. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/37 "2007-05-08T23:53:26Z")
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;761032]Nobody’s pure anything in this arena. I’ve done Tai Chi, Shuai Chiao, Muay Thai, Boxing, and BJJ, but if you ask me what I am, I’m a Judo guy. Cause that’s what I do.[/QUOTE] yeah. it really should be that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/38 "2007-05-08T23:55:39Z")
[QUOTE=SevenStar;761033]No, they don’t really. And I am referring to real life encounters, not the web. when I first started at my current school, they were really interested that I trained kung fu - they wanted to see it. As far as they are concerned, if you can make it work, it’s good. However, at my CMA school, they made me and another guy stop training grappling during the open mat sessions. consequently, we stopped going to the open mat sessions and started using some space in the field house of a nearby university. When talking to a cashier who recognized us from the mma school, we invited him to come train sometime. He declined and said he trained a traditional art and could not be taken to the ground. I was once told by a cma “boxers have no skill, they just stand and slug each other” I was once told that after three months of grappling any CMA would be better than a bjj blue belt. Heck, just TODAY - like two hours ago - my friend said she decided to learn kung fu and not “that cagefighting stuff” that I do, because kung fu is more deadly. Seriously.[/QUOTE] I see your point. ---
**Author:** ![Flying-Monkey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/flying-monkey/32/718_2.png) [@Flying-Monkey](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Flying-Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 11:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/39 "2007-05-08T23:57:18Z")
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;761016]I guess that’s your opinion. After training with the guy for 2 1/2 years, I’d say your opinion is way off the mark. Here’s a highlight video that has some of Miguel’s stand up. To me, that shows how good Wilson really is. He impressed the heck outta me. You kinda just insulted the both of them with your comment. Torres Highlights [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XR\_mxNr-1k&eurl=http3A%2F%2Fprofile.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D170467588%26MyToken%3D854c5d12-e128-456c-84b[/QUOTE]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XR_mxNr-1k&eurl=http3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendid%3D170467588%26MyToken%3D854c5d12%2De128%2D456c%2D84b%5B/QUOTE%5D) After watching that HL clip, he should very much be ashamed with his display in that fight. Wilson was not that special. He was ok. I give him props for lasting. However, he is an ok fighter 4-5. Actually that is not ok. He is below 50%. So do we have to make a special standard for Kung fu? Losing more than you win is not good in any sport. How am I insulting Torres when I am basically saying that he is better than what he displayed. He should went through him. He has more than four times more ring exp. and more than ten times the wins. ---
**Author:** ![Knifefighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Knifefighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Knifefighter)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769/40 "2007-05-09T00:11:56Z")
Nice standup by the KF guy, at least at the beginning. He kind of lost confidence as the fight progressed and he kept getting dominated on the ground. Also, nice open guard kicks by Torres. Very technical for those who understand effective kicks from the open guard. Looks like Torres might want to tighten up his standup game a bit… got surprised by a couple of side kicks. You can see in his highlight vid that he maybe opens up a bit too much/soon in his standup attacks. Other than that… good fight. The KF guy had a lot of heart. [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-in-mma/39769.md?page=3)