# Kung Fu Black Belt to fight in next UFC! **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [September 22, 2002, 12:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126 "2002-09-22T00:22:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Choke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Choke](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Choke)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 9:06am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/41 "2002-09-23T09:06:35Z")
I like how people take something explained in the most simplest terms possible and say “Your ass and the ground would become very fast acquaintances if you ever tried this” When they don’t even know the tech, let alone seen it. How do you know the picture you have in your head from my overly simple description is the reality? Anyway this was an example. I never said “Hot dam, this will stop any shooter in his tracks every time!” Hell, i didn’t even say it would work. It was simply one possibility in a mirriod of possibilities. Something outside the “I go for the throat and eyes” same old same old. Where is a wall? I feel the sudden need to hit my head against it. Never mind. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Merryprankster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/merryprankster/32/102_2.png) [@Merryprankster](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Merryprankster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 9:17am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/42 "2002-09-23T09:17:49Z")
Hey sorry bud, you write something that sounds very definite instead of presenting it as a possibility, and that’s the type of response you’re going to get. Tough. In keeping with the above, though, I’ ll amend my statement–it’s possible that what you describe would work, but I’m not betting my money on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nichiren](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/nichiren/32/187_2.png) [@Nichiren](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Nichiren)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 10:56am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/43 "2002-09-23T10:56:36Z")
LMAO!!! Merry, you are fighting windmills here… I train WC myself and I know after training BJJ that it is the method of training thats different. BJJ/Judo etc. go pretty much full force with the techniques at hand and therefor they are very skilled in this type of competition. A KF guy speaks of a 100 deadly moves NEVER practised once because of obvious reason. Get real KF guys… 😃 /Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Souljah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/souljah/32/313_2.png) [@Souljah](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Souljah)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 11:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/44 "2002-09-23T11:03:53Z")
In reply to ULTIMATE FIGHTERS POST (DELETED AS I WAS WRITING) Kung fu training … unrealistic? I dont think its unrealistic to try and train every part of your body, you never know when you’re gonna need it… which part of kung fu training is unrealistic. It hasnt differed that much since chinese training, just using different equipment to do imilar exercises I dont see how you could even say that kf practitioners could’nt even handle a street fight, so they train for tournaments do they? If a shoalin master cannot even be hurt by a spear point digging into his neck while pushing the load of a car, then how could a fat sweaty thug who likes humping on a mat possible do to him to subdue him, sure this guy maybe a foot taller and 100’s of pounds heavier, posible even visible stronger. But with strength comes weakness and it only takes a well placed acorn to derail the power and might of a train. I think it would be an insult to even consider a kung fu master of any style would want to lower himself to the thuggish level of the UFC. ---
**Author:** ![Merryprankster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/merryprankster/32/102_2.png) [@Merryprankster](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Merryprankster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 11:15am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/45 "2002-09-23T11:15:40Z")
> I think it would be an insult to even consider a kung fu master of any style would want to lower himself to the thuggish level of the UFC. Yes. It’s so much less thuggish than “to the death,” challenge matches. Or the organized crime that some of the masters have participated in over the centuries. Gosh I wish I could remember the story–the guy was a body guard for one of the gangs, as I recall. That’s not thuggish at all. He was the something tiger, if only I could remember it. Oh, I love you spiritual guys. So much more enlightened than the rest of us. It’s really truly wonderful. You claim humility in one breath, then judge others as you see fit. Beautiful–absolutely classic. If thuggishness is the arrogance of BJJ/MMA/NHB, high-horse, heavy handed snobbery is the arrogance of TMA–and from what I’m reading, ESP CMA. Note for the comprehension impaired–I don’t think that all CMA is snobbish. Just pointing out that if we’re going to make gross generalizations, it’s fair across the board… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ryu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ryu/32/60_2.png) [@Ryu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ryu)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 1:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/46 "2002-09-23T13:26:59Z")
😕 This again?? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_nOObi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Le\_nOObi](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Le_nOObi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/47 "2002-09-23T19:51:55Z")
safd Everyone who commented on ultimate fighters response seems to not realize he practices wing chun. ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_Pina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ray_pina/32/242_2.png) [@Ray\_Pina](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ray_Pina)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/48 "2002-09-23T20:18:02Z")
Why did everyone attack this person? I think its a legit question. First, I hope he does really well. Anyone doing well in that envirnment better be ready to throw down hard. BJJ, kung fu, whatever, you better be ready to hit somebody and – something I haven’t seen anyone do there – absorb blows. I’ll say this for BJJ and MMA – they practice how they play. That is their advantage. They don’t get caught up in the forms mess. I hope this man is training hard whoever he is, and is ready to hit these guys upon aproach, as they come in for the grab. Everytime I see an effective striker, they put the grappler down. BUT, if it goes down, I hope he has enough knowledge on how to create space from being mounted to strike effectively again. Anyone going in there – regardless of style – has my respect. I hope to join them in a year or so – God willing. ---
**Author:** ![Souljah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/souljah/32/313_2.png) [@Souljah](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Souljah)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/49 "2002-09-24T12:17:43Z")
> Yes. It’s so much less thuggish than “to the death,” challenge matches. Or the organized crime that some of the masters have participated in over the centuries. Gosh I wish I could remember the story–the guy was a body guard for one of the gangs, as I recall. That’s not thuggish at all. He was the something tiger, if only I could remember it. A true kung fu master who followed the teachings would not indulge in what you describe here, this is not snobbery, just a different state of mind, what can you possibly gain from them? respect? who wants respect at that price, taking some1s life. A true kung fu practitioner following any sort of buddhist influence would know that it is against the teachings to harm another unless forced into self defence. After all the main purpose of kung fu being taught in old china and today, is not so you can go and beat the crap out of some1 is it? It is to allow you to feel confident and be able to DEFEND yourself should any such event arise. Helping you develop the strengh and discpline to stay out of fights, which i feel is much harder to do than just giving into anger and trying to kill or subdue your opponent. Although from a utilitarian view you could be doing more good by this as the ‘threat would be neutralised’ i feel any form of uneeded violence is wrong. But of course thats just me, and it doesnt matter if you call me ignorant or snobbish because ‘sticks and stones’, im just making a statement, a small inconclusive view of mine. ---
**Author:** ![neptunesfall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/neptunesfall/32/109_2.png) [@neptunesfall](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/neptunesfall)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/50 "2002-09-24T13:27:29Z")
i disagree kung fu is just that, kung fu. it’s a way to fight. it does what a person uses it for, just like a gun. if you choose to use it to only defend yourself, that’s what it will do. you can also choose to use it for crime. kung fu itself is not a stringent set of ethics, it’s a fighting system. that’s all, nothing more, nothing less. a kung fu master is still just a person, good, bad, what have you. there’s nothing that says a kung fu master has to be a sage wise old man, honorable and dilligent in the search for truth and justice and blah blah blah. just the same as any other martial art. the grasshopper/sage stereotype of kung fu is just that, a stereotype. ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_Pina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ray_pina/32/242_2.png) [@Ray\_Pina](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ray_Pina)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/51 "2002-09-24T15:04:52Z")
Well, I disagree a bit. I believe we should raise the standards of MA, so that we are not viewed as some dim-witted thugs. But first and for most, most MA in general are in no position to use their skills for harm or “evil” because they just don’t possess them to a level that I would consider to be a great advantage on the street. Just being honest. With that said, for those truly pursuing MA I think there are a few paths: 1. learn just to learn and be happy with what you get. 2. Health 3. There will always be the wannabe Shaolin monks (you know who you are) 4. Those that really want to push and test the limits. For those in group (4), I think these NHB events are a good forum. How do you know? How do you know your skills could defeat a Shamrock? Yes, after a certain point one feels very confident. I have to say, I feel zero threat on the streets – even in Manhattan, on the west side, at 3:30 a.m. feeling a little “ire”. Situations that can turn bad – outnumbered, possible weapons, drunks, drugs – are avoided through experince and a good eye. But so what? Those are just regular people. How about a really good boxer. A 4th or 5th degree black belt in a good karate system. The BJJ guys. Tai boxers. How do I match up? That is something, I don’t want to say concerns me, but intrests me. I believe in the power of God. I know. I love my fellow man and woman – I do not want to hurt anyone. But a chess player needs to play chess – someone will be mated. Some MA need to go to war – casulties will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Ford\_Prefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e8c25b/32.png) [@Ford\_Prefect](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ford_Prefect)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/52 "2002-09-24T15:38:45Z")
Maybe if the KF guy was an icredible athlete and in excellent condition, then he’d have a shot. It wouldn’t be that his techniques would be lacking; it would be his attributes. Almost all the guys in high profile productions and all the upper echelon fighters are world class athletes now. ---
**Author:** ![KC\_Elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/848f3c/32.png) [@KC\_Elbows](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KC_Elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/53 "2002-09-24T15:46:51Z")
At this point, I’m fairly certain that this same conversation could be randomly generated by using bits from past conversations on the topic. Heck, even the crowd on mcdojo has stopped arguing this. ---
**Author:** ![neptunesfall](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/neptunesfall/32/109_2.png) [@neptunesfall](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/neptunesfall)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/54 "2002-09-24T15:47:43Z")
hmm…i have an idea… ---
**Author:** ![Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chang_style_novice/32/110_2.png) [@Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chang_Style_Novice)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/55 "2002-09-24T16:09:18Z")
“At this point, I’m fairly certain that this same conversation could be randomly generated by using bits from past conversations on the topic.” Casey Bobo is correct. ---
**Author:** ![KC\_Elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/848f3c/32.png) [@KC\_Elbows](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/KC_Elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/56 "2002-09-24T16:13:31Z")
Thank you Stank Pile Orifice. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/kungfumagazine/original/2X/e/ee79c1ddba056fb2c94515d43d7de1be82ac7fa6.png) [@system](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/57 "2002-09-24T16:28:15Z")
Actually, a great many of the ‘old masters’ most likely were a bunch of dim-witted thugs. Buddhism is synonymous with kungfu only in the minds of some westerners. Interviews with both Su Dong Chen and Ma Xianda have been posted and discussed to these forums where the merits of hard contact drilling, including tournament fighting were espoused. Do we know better than them? See [http://www.evolutionary-systems.com/html\_docs/iframe/m\_su.html](http://www.evolutionary-systems.com/html_docs/iframe/m_su.html) and [http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=244](http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=244) respectively for the above mentioned interviews. ---
**Author:** ![Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chang_style_novice/32/110_2.png) [@Chang\_Style\_Novice](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chang_Style_Novice)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/58 "2002-09-24T16:41:16Z")
Is there a CMA master more revered (and feared) than Ch’ang Tung Sheng? Didn’t he make his reputation whoopin’ ass all over the place, both in official tourneys and open challenges? Did he not encourage his students to compete both against each other and against practitioners of any other style they could find? I’ll grant you that he was Muslim rather than Buddhist, but are we talking about MA or religion here? Let me repeat: it’s better to study history and use critical thinking than to derive all of your knowledge from mid 70’s Shaw Brothers flicks. Not that there’s anything wrong with mid 70s Shaw Brothers flicks, as long as you see them for what they are. ---
**Author:** ![NorthernMantis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@NorthernMantis](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernMantis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/59 "2002-09-24T17:03:36Z")
lol come on you guys give chokeyout some credit. Well at least he’s trying to shed more light on the myth that kf guys being perceived as bad fighters. lol it’s hard for a mma to help out really cause everytime the person find a supossed “kung fu guy” he has to fight tooth and nail to prove that the person is authentic ( which usually isn’t:D ). Hey choke remmeber this when you find a kf person fighting: 1. Have the guys lineage cheked and double checked 2. Prepare to be flamed i.e. that’s not real kf 3. Make sure the guy has a website filled with pretty stances 4. The guys style is well known cause the drunken river rat style aint gonna cut it 5. Make sure that you say what style it is cause kf people don’t like their styles being generalised into one group. Heh a ba gua guy would rather get shot in the hand first before he’ll agree that it’s is the same as wing chun and vice versa. The truth is some styles are completely opposite of each other and have nothing in common. ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_Pina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ray_pina/32/242_2.png) [@Ray\_Pina](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ray_Pina)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126/60 "2002-09-24T18:46:24Z")
“it’s better to study history and use critical thinking than to derive all of your knowledge from mid 70’s Shaw Brothers flicks” ``` --- True ``` “a ba gua guy would rather get shot in the hand first before he’ll agree that it’s is the same as wing chun” ``` ---- Very True ``` 😉 [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/kung-fu-black-belt-to-fight-in-next-ufc/15126.md?page=4)