My goodness what an overrated art for the street. Their training is great but the techniques just cry out “dump me on my head, please”.
Oddly I didn’t feel this way when I was taking it. It’s hard to think while trying to throw 100 knees into the thai pads.
Elbows were rare, few low kicks and the Thai (the winner) was good at getting points rather than putting away his opponent. IMO the Thais hands were weak, but he was good in the plumb with his knees. I thought the fighting in Shidokan was nastier and more applicable to the street. Maybe it has to do with the size and weight of the fighters.
The championship fight – the little western guy (brazilian?) just kept sweeping the thai fighter, dumping him on his butt. he was getting constant warnings for that, but on the street that move would be fine.
But then, if I got a knee in the side in any fight I think I’d be doubled over. I’m just not that tough.
yeah well i was watching globe treker on Pbs in bang****
and they stoped by a Muay Thai school, their training looked really scary buy the match fight was lame.
muay thai tends to lack hand striking. most modern thai gyms include western boxing though. As far as it looking lame, watch some of the tapes of CMA masters - not much difference in some of those fights…
I’m not really downing MT as a sport or art in it’s own right, I just don’t see where the “reality” guys think it’s the bees knees for the street. Technique wise that is.
Come to think of it though I’ve felt confident in my street skills three times, 1. JJJ 2. Muay Thai/BJJ 3. My TKD school. The common thing between the three was rolling and sparring at almost every class. Never felt that way while taking Kali, JKD, Shaolin Kempo Karate or some of the other things I’ve done.
As far as it looking lame, watch some of the tapes of CMA masters - not much difference in some of those fights…
That’s not fair S*, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the Masters. You have a fight against someone who you could easily kill with any number of secret death strikes, but lo and behold someone is there with a camera. So what do you do? If you easily defeat the other guy your secret techniques are now known to the unwashed masses, so you have resort to some funky chicken moves and throw the fight. That’s where the MMA guys have it lucky. Since their skills are so rudimentary and they don’t have to protect any secret techniques that have been handed down for centuries, they can fight all out.
take a look at a Dwayne Ludwig, John Wayne Parr, Ernesto Hoost, Noi, Coban Lookchaomaesaitong, Samart Payakaroon, Alex Gong etc and you’ll see why Muay Thai has such a formidable reputation.
muay thai approaches the clinch in a dangerous yet very unrealistic manner imho. while they can elbow and knee they are prohibited from grappling (they have a little I know..) And as a ringsport the rules are going to keep the fighters on their feet and striking as much as possible. (although muay thai was a “war art” it has moved considerably to be more of a ring battle where two guys stand square to each other and bang it out until one gives) (Sanshou’s origin is also from the military and is still based upon combat applications with only a spectator fanbase just coming since the mid 90’s.)
Why do NHB/MMA guys love muay thai? The way they train. pure and simple. Take a thai trained fighter out of a muay thai match and he’s still going to be one of the best strikers and best conditioned guy you’ll know. problem is the gap between muay thai and bjj. That’s why I love san shou/ bjj
I notice from your profile that you study TKD. Buddy if I were you I’d take a good look at the type of habits YOUR art fosters through its competitions before talking about how unrealistic Muay Thai matches are. We all know how realistic TKD is :rolleyes:
Get a clue
The mauy thai matches with thai guys are way better than the k1 fights, technically. the K1 guys are like big lum0xes in c0mparis0n. just big… well lum0xes.
DragonzRage, are you saying that Muay Thai fighters aren’t open to being taken down? I did’nt say it wasn’t a good art it just has alot of holes in it as a street art. Holes that the street fighting crowde rarely acknownlege.
Originally posted by rogue
[B]I’m not really downing MT as a sport or art in it’s own right, I just don’t see where the “reality” guys think it’s the bees knees for the street. Technique wise that is.
Come to think of it though I’ve felt confident in my street skills three times, 1. JJJ 2. Muay Thai/BJJ 3. My TKD school. The common thing between the three was rolling and sparring at almost every class. Never felt that way while taking Kali, JKD, Shaolin Kempo Karate or some of the other things I’ve done. [/B]
No matter how good your style, you’ll be crap at it unless you train like a mother fukka. When will people realise that?
Plus, a ring sport trains for the ring, which is different to the street, which is different to a points competition, which is different to ballroom fukking dancing.
I agree with you. Muay Thai as a ring art obviously does not translate directly to the street. Neither does Sanda or wrestling for that matter. But the type of training and tools in these arts develop attributes essential to being an effective fighter.
What I was saying is that competitive TKD would get you killed in a real fight much quicker than MT would. I’m not trying to say that MT is perfect or that its always the best thing to use in a fight. But IMO, if your preferred stand up art is TKD, then criticizing MT’s shortcomings as a realistic striking art would be a moot point.
I think maybe you need to establish what it is that Rogue does before dismissing his opinions on the basis of what you ‘know’ about TKD
At least he’s judging on the basis of what he’s trained and seen…
Even if he trained Tae Bo it wouldn’t automatically invalidate his opinions anyway - your reasoning is akin to the ‘unless you can beat Rickson you aren’t allowed to slag off BJJ’ logic
