Is it just me or my perception of the media that they seem to be going soft on this low life momma humping, bed wetting, puke, John Walker and the fact that he is a traitor and terrorist.
All I see on TV are discussions on what rights does this skinny ***** have because he is an American citizen, how we might not be able to convict with the death penalty or maybe any penalty, the possibility of brainwashing, how he is a rebel with a cause, a product of misspent youth and so on and so on.
Maybe its my anger management problems, but I think it would be proper to torture him for all the information we can get, then smother his testicles with countery crock butter and let a starving family of howler monkeys with plinking shears work for their dinner, after that they should strap his still alive body to another Daisy Cutter and drop him back onto that dirty ****hole that he wanted to call home.
His parents are demanding that their son have a lawyer RIGHT NOW.
Yeah lets be liberal to all of them,and give them all legal rights.
The people who say that will soon change their minds once we get hit with a Nuke, a dirty bomb,gas prices go insane,prices everywhere skyrocket,bridges get bombed,and nuke power plants get hit spreading radiation hundreds of miles.Mass panic.
Yeah,lets be liberal and give them a shower,food,drink,clothes, a bed,
You know the same way they would treat us.
His parents can demand he has a lawyer all he wants. He has been detained in an armed conflict, thus all that is required as that he be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention, not Miranda. Geneva Conv. DOES NOT require a lawyer’s presence during interrogations.
I hope this goes one of 2 ways.
#1) I believe passports have an item within them that states that if you leave the country in order to serve in another country’s armed forces, you lose your citizenship in the issuing country. This means Taliboy can be tried as a terrorist.
#2) He requests, and gets to keep his citizenship, which then means he can be tried under treason or sedition.
Take your pick, Mr. Walker. In the extremely unlikely event that he is released without incident, I know a few Marines that would be more than happy to teach him all about America.
Wow, so you’re willing to be that lenient with him, hm?
Don’t you just know when the Americans found that traitorous piece of ragheaded filth it was all they could do to keep their fingers off the fcking trigger… Those soldiers we have over there are some stone-cold strong-willed fckers not to outright shoot that slimy camel t*rd and just call it a day.
He never took up arms against US troops. Northern Alliance troops are not US forces.
There has not been a formal declaration of war, and my understanding is that Walker was Taliban, not Al-Qaeda. If this is true, thn forget about a conviction for terrorism or conspiracy charges.
I have heard two opinions on the issue of losing citizenship. One is that one must take up arms against the United States to lose citizenship, the other is that if one bears arms for a foreign government he can lose it. For the first case, again, Walker may have fought Nrthern Alliance troops(may have), he didnt fight US troops, big difference, legally.
For the second case, a defense lawyer could very well make the arguement that since the US government never recognized the Taliban as the official government of Afganistan, then he cant be convicted under US lw of bearing arms for a foreign government. The worst he can be accused of then would be being a mercenary, which is not a crime.
The very worst that will happen to Walker will be loss of citizenship. He will walk.
The problem with this whole situation is that this is such an absolutely bizzare and unique situation. A law has not been written that covers it. What this guy did does not fit the legal definition of terrorism, treason, espionage, murder or jaywalking.
This a$$hole was not fighting in a “war.” We have not delcared war against anyone.
He was not fighting against US troops. He claims he only fought for the Taliban against Northern Alliance, and we have no real evidence to the contrary.
He claims he had no knowledge of Al Qaida or Sept. 11th, and we have no proof to the contrary.
He travelled, legally to Afghanistan. He took up arms with one faction in that country against another faction in that country. (Not illegal.)
We have no proof that he so much as scratched anyone.
Personally, I say we convict him of vagrancy, sentence him to 30 days in general population in Rykers. That should be legal AND a death sentence.
I’m willing to bet he gets off scott free after the Hollywood intelligencia like Mike Farrel and Rosie O’Donald decide that he is an innocent victim being railroaded by the government. Then he’ll write a book “American Jihad” or some such crap, and make a million for the movie rights were he is portrayed as a couragsous and righteous elite warrior. (He’ll probably be played by Van Damme. They can use the leftover set dressing from the Foreign Legion portions of “Lionheart.”)
OK, this is starting to make me mad. If this guy gets off, somebody has to (and will) hunt his arse down and make him pay. There are many ways to skin this cat.
If we can’t put him on trial because he never took up arms against US troops, can’t we just extradite him to Afghanistan where he did take up arms against its citizenry. I’m sure the Northern Alliance will have no domestic legal hurdles to clear if they execute him.
If I was in charge and thought bringing him to the US would result in no criminal charges, he would be on a one-way trip back to Afghanistan to receive his just due.
OR
I’d stage a faux-POW escape attempt and shoot Walker dead. Who on that US Navy ship would step forward and claim otherwise? If a sailor does, shoot him too.
OR
Poison Walker’s food on the way home. “Whoops Mr. and Mrs. Walker, apparently your rat bastid son was sicker and weaker than we thought. He died in his sleep last night”.
Some of you more blood thirsty types need to head on over and join John Boy. All this talk of torture, execution, etc. smacks of the Taliban itself. Where is the proof that this kid is a traitor? We are not at war with the Taliban after all. How is he a terrorist? Can you actually prove anything other than the kid was a fool? Instead of blind vengence it would be more appropriate to make him stay in Afghanistan and provide free labor to rebuild the place. He wants to provide help to his Muslim brothers well that would be his chance.
By Walker’s own admission he was a trained terrorist.
The myth of him being a wide-eyed Muslim youth on a spiritual piulgrimmage to help his brethren has already been debunked by his own big mouth.
He wasn’t handing out food, mending clothing, and building shelter. He was running obstacle courses, learning how to field strip an AKM, and most ominously how to move through airport security undetected.
That sounds like a combatant/terrorist to me. It does not matter if he is Taliban or al-Qaeda, as are mission is against terrorists and those who would support them (ie. the Taliban). Even if you argue that he was not a terrorist against the US, he was part of a regime that terrorized the people of Afghanistan.
How did Walker become the only “good guy” idealist on the Taliban side?
He didn’t. He was the same as those who excute people in the soccer stadium. He was the same as the people who stole emergency food aid going to Afghans. He was the same as the people who brutalized women for over a decade.
Now he’s caught, and that all changes. BS!
If he had captured a soldier a month ago and had been ordered to kill them, he would have done it.
Walker has not been out of the US so long that he has never heard of Bin Laden being linked to terrorist activities against the US. As soon as he saw bin Laden (and he admitted he did), he should have realized he was in the company of enemies of the US.
I don’t buy this whole “Muslim hippy with a heart of gold” spin put on by the liberal squeemish media.
There are plenty of Taliban sympathizers in the States (obviously), in fact there’s plenty in my country too and around the world.
Still, they have fought the battle and lost, so to the victor goes the spoils and to the defeated, well, they have to face the decisions of the victor really don’t they.
This one guy is a kid who was “discovered” in the battles going on in afghanistan. I’m willing to bet there are plenty more from many countries over there doing the same thing. Probably even quite a few americans, canadians and british.
So, he made his bed and now he has to sleep in it according to the rules of war. As well, any others in the conflict are making decisions now that will effect all parties involved for the next generation at least.
From a personal standpoint, I think that a civilization can be measured in greatness by it’s ability to care for it’s young, it’s old and sick and it’s treatment of it’s enemies.
To take the revenge stance will keep humanity in the dark ages of development until we get the emotions aside and start dealing with things realistically and pragmatically from a logical standpoint.
Or, as the Buddha said “How would you like it if someone did that to you?”
Or as Jesus said “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
Would I be the first to stand up and cheer if this guy were brought back, tried, found guilty, stood against a wall and shot? Well, maybe not the first, but I’d be a close second.
I would just as soon cheer if he were legally found to have given up his US citizenship and be left to the justice system set up by the new Afgan gov’t.
However, as soon as we decide that it doesn’t matter what our laws say, that it doesn’t matter what evidence we have or don’t have, that this guy needs to be executed because we “just know” he deserves it… well then, we’ve become that which we claim to despise, haven’t we?
The lynch mob mentality that exists is more concern than the fact that there are idealistically messed up people out there.
What’s the difference between the lynch mob justice that is being sought by some and the terrorists acts being commited by others?
They are both coming from a primitive mindset that I would hope could have been changed in this day and age.
Though experience tells me that there is no accounting for the stupidity in the actions of those who follow the self-interpreted propoganda of someone elses politically ideologies.
Think globally act locally. Change your own mind because you can’t change someone elses.
I agree that a society should treat its children and elderly well, but I disagree on the need to go out of your way for an enemy’s care (which is what a lifetime prison sentence would be).
Let’s see, about $75,000 dollars a year for supermax lockdown (he could never go in “general population”) for 50 years of life he has remaining= more than anybody should be expected to pay for somebody that hates you and yours. As a US taxpayer, I don’t like the idea of spending a penny on him. Call me cheap, call me callous, but I don’t think I would have receieved good treatment at his hands if I had been captured by the Taliban or al-Qaeda.
Which brings us to “do unto others” and “two wrongs don’t make a right” “how would you like it if somebody did that to you”:.
Maybe Walker thinks US support of Israel is wrong, maybe he thinks US troop presence in Saudi Arabia is wrong, but if two wrongs don’t make a right than the whole 9/11 debacle was the second wrong trying to make things right. We could probably keep backing things up and throw the “ultimate blame” around, but in the end Walker is alive which is more than any POW of the Taliban could claim for long. If he was executed or assassinated tomorrow, we have already given more consideration to him as human than his brethren did for their POW’s. The Taliban and al-Qaeda have done enough negative unto others, and now it is being done unto them.
