Saying that every kung fu practitioner, except 1, sucks, doesn’t make me happy.
Shawn is a bit over the top, but he’s worth keeping an eye on.
Joe Rogan talks a lot of internet ****. But you know what? He’s straight forward and if you’ve ever seen his comedy stuff he’s pretty funny IMO.
I think his point was that practicing in a park doing patty cake play fighting does no one any good outside of being a social event.
I remember the gung fu group at the park when I was in the military. People would drive by making fun of them because they’d all be standing around smoking cigarettes in between form sets. None of them competed in anything, none of them pressure tested themselves, and none of them had any idea they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Now Shaun on the other hand is a bit out there…based on what I saw on the M-1 tryouts. But ya know what? He along with guy’s like Alan Orr’s crew are doing what other people only theorize about, and that’s fighting.
I’m no fan of Joe Rogan. He’s a front-runner…if you get my meaning. And Alan’s guys and Shawn are not the only wing chun guys who fight. But they are people the rest of the wing chun world should be keeping track of. I, for one, hope they all do well.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1017577]I think his point was that practicing in a park doing patty cake play fighting does no one any good outside of being a social event. .[/QUOTE]
He was specifically talking about Maoshan and Black Taoist.
is this the same shawn obasi?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=stats.fighterDetail&pid=AFE770168F222301
I don’t see anything on sherdog.. I have been waiting for him to do some real mma events.. isn’t the underground fight league an “illegal” mma event?
I first heard about him from a friend who works out at a gym. The gym owner pretended to know martial arts, and created a fake record.. fought shawn in an illegal MMA event in ny…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVyrNR39m3E&feature=PlayList&p=D0CCF7A85111B220&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
What I can’t figure out is.. there are so many amateur events going on in NJ.. why isn’t he doing them and building a real record? Nothing against him personally but he seems to be more talk than anything else. The only way to get respect is to fight in allot of normal MMA events.. and win.. its not rocket science. The fact is nobody in Wing Chun is doing that .. that I know of.. I would love to hear of something doing that..
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1017632]He was specifically talking about Maoshan and Black Taoist.[/QUOTE]
Is Maoshan the guy who everyone talks about because he keeps filming himself getting his ass kicked?
Black taoist I don’t remember.
[QUOTE=monji112000;1017652]is this the same shawn obasi?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=stats.fighterDetail&pid=AFE770168F222301
I don’t see anything on sherdog.. I have been waiting for him to do some real mma events.. isn’t the underground fight league an “illegal” mma event?
I first heard about him from a friend who works out at a gym. The gym owner pretended to know martial arts, and created a fake record.. fought shawn in an illegal MMA event in ny…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVyrNR39m3E&feature=PlayList&p=D0CCF7A85111B220&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
What I can’t figure out is.. there are so many amateur events going on in NJ.. why isn’t he doing them and building a real record? Nothing against him personally but he seems to be more talk than anything else. The only way to get respect is to fight in allot of normal MMA events.. and win.. its not rocket science. The fact is nobody in Wing Chun is doing that .. that I know of.. I would love to hear of something doing that..[/QUOTE]
I have watch a lot of this MMA fighting and have yet to see anyone use anything other then the standard MMA stuff. Now and then a person might be billed as a black belt karate or such, but other than the occasional high kick they stay with MMA. So why is is so critical to see a Wing Chun fighter in the MMA ring? Why not one of the other forms or systems of kung fu? Why does Wing Chun have to be the one? All you guys talk like real experts on this thing, so why are you not out there fighting in an MMA ring, using your Wing Chun or whatever? Most of you have never had a real fight since elementery school, so why is is so important that you can fight in the first place? And BTW, on the list of forums, just below Wing Chun, there is the MMA forum.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1018146]I have watch a lot of this MMA fighting and have yet to see anyone use anything other then the standard MMA stuff. Now and then a person might be billed as a black belt karate or such, but other than the occasional high kick they stay with MMA. So why is is so critical to see a Wing Chun fighter in the MMA ring? Why not one of the other forms or systems of kung fu? Why does Wing Chun have to be the one? All you guys talk like real experts on this thing, so why are you not out there fighting in an MMA ring, using your Wing Chun or whatever? Most of you have never had a real fight since elementery school, so why is is so important that you can fight in the first place? And BTW, on the list of forums, just below Wing Chun, there is the MMA forum.[/QUOTE]
I have not trained for and do not have any desire to fight in a MMA event. further I have not trained in Wing Chun in some time because of my current living/working location is too far to commute. That being said Obasi seems to clearly want to fight “MMA” fighters and “muy thai” fighters. He has said many times he wants to prove to the world that Wing Chun is a possible fighting style in the ring/cage. I personally like seeing any fighting style that isn’t just the normal what everyone else is doing fighting style. A good example in my not so humble opinion is What David Ross (NY sanda) has done with his fighters and his teachers styles combined with what he has learned from other sources.
I made no attempt to praise or criticize Obasi’s wing chun and I will not. Its not what I learned, and I don’t like his style.. but what good is my opinion other than to myself.
My point was he seems to be one of two things 1) dumb (probably not) or 2) full of hot air (more likely)
why? because if he really wanted fight there are so many real organizations and chances he can with little effort take advantage of. I can’t blame any major promoter for not allowing him the chance to just walk into the ring and fight someone.. simple because he wants too.. If your coming with a style people already thing is a joke, and you can’t at min blend with what they think is “real” fighting, then you have to prove it in the before hand. Obasi has not proven anything as of today. He hasn’t fought anyone with any real skill in the Cage/ring .
NJ has a few Amateur fighting leagues, that’s were he needs to go. I guarantee he if kills a bunch of guys that seems to have some skill then he is more likely to get a bigger fight.
The days of being a odd ball TMA fighter and fighting in the UFC are gone. This isn’t 1992 and it isn’t UFC 2
BTW I responded to the post I didn’t start it. It was posted here because he is a “wing chun fighter” and he claims to be willing to die a “wing chung fighter”.
[QUOTE=bawang;1017381]joe rogan is right[/QUOTE]
Without a doubt he would be correct concerning any kung fu that you have been involved with.
bawang is right
bawang is always right… first rule
Blacktaoist and Maodhan are two of the biggest mouth boxers around. They have more videos of them talking than sparring. BT in particular seems to be very careful of having video of himself sparring.
Joe Rogan and Bawang are correct. BT and Maoshan think walking around in circles will give them magical powers.
Humblewc,
where do you see more black sifus than anywhere else? Innercity ghettos? Those locations would ubdoubtedly have more black sifus than sifus of other races.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1017671]Is Maoshan the guy who everyone talks about because he keeps filming himself getting his ass kicked?
Black taoist I don’t remember.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that’s him. BT is his brother.
Soooo then where’s the fallacy in Joe Rogan’s statement then that they’re practicing patty cake?
Because it seems evident that they’re doing something wrong if they’re getting made fun of constantly on internet forums based on actual video footage.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1018375]Soooo then where’s the fallacy in Joe Rogan’s statement then that they’re practicing patty cake?
Because it seems evident that they’re doing something wrong if they’re getting made fun of constantly on internet forums based on actual video footage.[/QUOTE]
It’s his generalization to all kung fu that I don’t like.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1018463]It’s his generalization to all kung fu that I don’t like.[/QUOTE]
unfortunatly until someone with a kung fu background steps up and wins in the cage his view will be the majority view held by people
dont some people doing mma in china have cma sanshou training as their striking core and shuai jiao as their grappling base…
example:
Current issue of this magazine…:rolleyes:
just because people pull the wool over their own eyes, does not mean there is nothing beyond the veil…oh right, those guys all lose, no winners in any of those matches. my bad. post retracted…
granted these guys arent in the american market, but still, there are people using cma material in mma format. but well, a lot peope think UFC is all there is in mma…thats what we call good marketing.
Well UFC is popular all over the world. It’s great marketing! Does it have the best fighters? NNNNOOOOO way.
[QUOTE=Frost;1019088]unfortunatly until someone with a kung fu background steps up and wins in the cage his view will be the majority view held by people[/QUOTE]
i thought cung le already did