Just curious on peoples opinion of the famous Jik bo form. When it should be introduced to training?etc. Is a good form for developing short power but do you think its more suited to those who have learnt some martial arts before as apposed to those who come from a back ground of none?
This depends upon who is teaching it and why. I have seen people teach it as a first set before teaching Hung Ga, due to the fact that it is short and relatively easy to pick up (not absorb and understand) and I feel it makes developing a solid foundation very difficult if not impossible. In this case, I would teach it later after the foundation is developed solidly to refine the short power. As far as teaching it in a Bak Mei P’ai, curriculum, of course it would be taught as one of the first forms.Too many people borrow forms from here and there and although they think that they are offering a wide variety of technique, they merely confuse the student who instead should be establishing a solid foundation in the fundamental movements of their style.
TenTigers
I dissagree and if I wern’t so tired I’d explain,but I agree with some parts of you post,
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In the Yau Kun Mun curriculum its taught at the tenth level. The first form -TUNG JI KUEN teachs long power with punchs coming from the hip, still keeping the Baat Ding Baat Bat with Jik Bo being a preperation form for higher forms like Ying Jow Ling Q and Gau Bo Toi.
Doesnt apply to everyone of course but I see systems like these help if youve had some back ground but like I said is not always the case.
I didn’t know Jik Bo/Jek Bo was within any other system except Pak Mei.
Mark S
Well I was refering to that!
BiuJi:Well I was refering to that!
Fair enough, however you did not make that clear, plus already Hung Gar and Yau Kung Mun(sp?) have been mentioned as using a version (?) of Jik Bo.
In the Pak Mei I am taught Jik Bo is the first set. I can’t see why it cannot be taught to complete beginners, in fact I think that this would be easier as ‘experienced’ martial artists might see the set as ‘too simple’. I know I did.
That is until I began to understand it, and then it became simple again. 
Mark S
Jik bo kuen is taugh in white tiger. It part of the white eyebrown forms and its taugh at… 2nd brown blet i think 
so its pretty muc one of the last forms 
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Rei : Jik bo kuen is taugh in white tiger
Is that the White Tiger thats called Bak Fu Pai??
See this is getting complicated now, how many styles use this set, and is it the same one??
I don’t know much about Bak Fu Pai apart from what I have read on websites and bickering thats gone on on here. No such animal in the UK, as far as I know, same goes for Yau Kung Mun.
Mark S
yup
yes its the Bak Fu Pai white tiger style. and ya, lots of people says its fake and blah blah blah. but who here has came from that time and can tell u what is real and whats not? i study i and ive seen it applied… might be fake but its effective. Jik bo kuen is used at brown level as i said. the way we study it we start with iron palm training then move on to white eyebrow and then white tiger… basical its tiger/dragon style with the other 3 of 5 shaolin animals added. it has chi kung, slow forms, a philosophical side… id say its a good style. but meh.. all kungfu is good to me ims sold lol
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mark s
hi there,
yau kung mun late grandmaster was a bak mei sifu before leaving cheung lai chun and studying under a shaolin monk tit yun the internal art known as yau kung mun!
grandmaster ha hon hung keep all the bak mei sets and added it to the syllubus. jik bo kuen is a little higher in the system because its taught before gau bo toy. its taught in the park at early leaves but not in the class, because my sifu believed that to do jik bo kuen the big the space for the stepping the better the training for the form. we use to do it for 300 meters as a warm up every sunday at the park, boy they use to give you a workout!
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Rei
can you tell us who you sifu is? i didnt know bak fu had belts or is it a sash?
good system
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Rei,
Haven’t we been through this before? I don’t think anyone (at least not me) was saying BFP was fake…just that your teacher didn’t know any. If he learned his BFP from Jim Lacy, then he doesn’t know BFP. That’s as simple as I can make it.
um no.. is THATS what ur saying then dude ur wrong. shergold is learning iron palm from lacy NOT bfp. who aid lacy even knew that stuff? everywheres i read hes all about iron palm. vincent pepper knows bfp and learned under doo wai and YES a bunch of u idiots said it was fake ill go dig up the post if u want. i personaly dont care… bash it all u want less stuff for u to learn. what i dont liek is everyone doiung assumptions on what they hear not EXPERIENCE. anyways screw this go fight about it with someoen else
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lacy might not be liked in bfp, but his iron palm is strong and breaks shite! alot of people here dont like lacy for what ever reasons but still he can still hit pretty hard!
long time no here billy! hows training etc?
richard shergold still with lacy?
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FT
Have you met Lacey?,just wondering how you know he has power.
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back in 1995 i bought some video’s of bfp off lacy, because he said he had bak mei info from doo wai. i did some forms for him because he liked the way i did forms etc. anyway he has strong conditioned hands i meant! :rolleyes: he breaks coconuts pretty easy for what ive seen on videos etc. so that is pretty good, i have broken coconuts and they are definately harder than concret blocks etc, i have incorporated the coconut for ykm breaking material for iron palm training.
ykm has 3 different levels of iron palm, last being cotton palm internal.
i know that lacy specialises in iron palm that come from doo wai BFP, but he is no longer with him. anyways his iron palm isnt bad! thats my opinion 
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Could have a great iron palm but he is full of it. Read the site, it contains so much misleading information.
http://www.ironpalm.com/index.html
seen it!
alot of it is from doo wai, is he full of it too?
lacys kung fu is more kempo then anything else!
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BLAH BLAH
Anyway besides all the ever present politics does anyone want to comment on the form itself and what they get from it!
This wasnt actually ment as a thread for discussing if BFP is real or not( no disrespect).
I train this form regularly with/without iron rings, great for punching , posture . Do you train it with some tension or just all relaxed and loose?Come on guys lets keep it to kung fu .