Man, I saw a messed up special on TLC last night showing Japan’s biological testing on the CHinese when they controlled Manchuria.
Real messed up! I now know why some Chinese won’t teach the Japanese – and I wouldn’t either if I was them. I know it wasn’t the present Japanese that did it, but God D a mn, there are still Chinese suffering or missing relatives from the plague and other diseases.
The Japanese purposely lost territory so when the Chinese troops moved in they would be poisened by the water and food. Great strategic move but cruel.
The stuff they did to civilians though was heart breaking. I will forever doubt when I hear a Japanese man having inherited the entire workings of a Chinese sytsem. No way! It be like the Isrealis giving Paletine and Iraq/Iran their nuclear technology. No way.
I wouldnt doubt it more then I would doubt anyone else. Some people move on and get over it. Sounds small doesnt it, but those are the biggest people of all. Those that can look past it to the human beings around them.
There is no reason why a Japanese artist would not know a chinese martial art. It may be more rare, but the past doesnt preclude the future.
I wasn’t aware of the details you posted. Very sad. Yet, war has no rules, not really.
Reason for my post is to ask for information. When the Japanese invaded Hong Kong, they set up camps for civilians. Does anyone know of nonfiction literature I could read re the conditions, how the people fared, how the children were taken care of, etc.? Was there abuse of the people there? And how many of these camps existed; how much of the population was interred, and WHY?
thank you,
Well that’s like saying that we should forever turn our backs on and never share anything with- Germany, Russia, Japan, England, Mexico, Most of the middle east, Veitnam, Korea and probally a whole lot of others. War is politacal and not every person of a particular origin will fault another just because he happens to be of the other orign. If all Chinese did that NO westerner would ever even know kungfu exsited or anything else their culture had to offer. Racism for any reason isn’t right.
Not saying it is right – war is war – but that I could understand.
I actually have feelings for the Japanese. My first style and longest practiced was Isshin-Ryu: an Okinawan system. I was literally raised on that system.
I love the Katana. I like sushi. I like Japanese poetry. Japanese painting. Interetsting though, the Haiku was first devloped in China, as was the painting form and even the Bonzai. Funnyhow history has come to think of Japan as the inventor of these things.
As for rasicm or ideologies, they tend to pass from generation to generation. Hitler youths are still alive today, and are parents and grandparents. There is still quite a strong ant-simetic and anti-black movemnt in Germany, as well as elsewhere in Europe and even here in the US. Its up to us, the next generation to break this cycle of ignorance.
I quote Bob MArley who quoted Salasi: “Until a man’s skin is of no more significance then the color of his eyes – war.”
One interesting point the special made, is that the poeple involved in these experiments (they tested biological weapons on civilians) evolved to become the Yakuza after the war and that they still have a strong following. I’m just repeating what the spewcial said.
I have ZERO problems with anyone. I try not to judge people. Seems that way here but here we are talking technique, and that must be judged if its going to progress. I let people reveal who they are for themselves. Usually takes about 10 minutes.
It was just a very sad thing to see last night. They said 20,000,000 chinese died during WWII.
Yeah, the relationship of Japan and China is remarkably similar to the one shared by Ancient Rome and Greece. Two very effective society, using the culture of a neighbour to great advantage. The culture is created in the other country, then maximized in the other.
Something similar has been happening between Europe and America, too. An interesting phenomena.
If you add up every Japanese soldier that stepped foot in China during WWII (whether a participant in Unit 731, The Rape of Nanking, or neither event), I’d imagine that you are talking about a statistically small portion of the total population of Japan at that time. And for that crime of a “few”, you would write off an entire nation? Don’t say the other citizens of Japan knew because that was simply not the case. Japan did not invent the concept of “total war” in Asia, nor were they the last to practice it. What about what Chinese have done to their own people in the name of war in the last century? No doubt, the Japanese soldiers involved in the atrocities of WWII are a stigma hanging over their people, but I think the “demonization” of Japan is a very selective way of looking at the events of the day.
Like what they said, you can’t blame an entire nation for what a few did. It’s like blaming all of america for the women they raped on their allies side in vietnam when they were supposed to be protecting them. It’s like blaming Muslims for what Osama Bin Laden and his Al Quada did. Plus the chinese aren’t the most innocent of the bunch either, you can’t demand justice when you yourself don’t deliver it. Look at Tibet, hundreds of thousands of them died in one day, all done by the chinese. The chinese past wasn’t nice either, attacking vietnam countless times and warring 20 times in total in 2000 years. During their Ming Dynasties rule they applied a brutal dominion on former Dai Ngu(vietnam) by gathering all valuables, harsh rulings, raping women while killing men and castrating boys in an attempt to assimilate Vietnamese to Chinese.
And plus, you can’t say a japanese person don’t have the full knowledge contained in a practice. That conflict wasn’t long ago and a chinese person could have taught a japanese student long ago before that conflict. It could be that the teacher, being a teacher, saw the potential of a student and taught him the art, not caring what nation he really came from.
I don’t like this hate that has been circulating around between the Chinese and Japanese, since it does affect me. In fact, its doubly worse for me, since I have a Filipino mother, and the Phillippines were treated terribly during the war. My mom tells me stories of how my grandfather and his family had to run into the mountains to avoid the bombing raids, and my dad tells me stories of how the Japanese raped Chinese women and used CHinese men for bayonet practice. Its funny too, since they never lived during the war. It was spread from their parents to them, and I can start feeling it come to me. I have Japanese friends, and love Japanese culture, but I still feel an unease. My parents aren’t that hateful or vengeful, but I cringe whenever my mom uses the term “Japs.” I want to forget, but. knowing what I know now, I can’t.
People who have not been through the experience, or are watching from afar
People who have watched their families and friends killed, or have been tortured of affected
And of latter, there are 3 “main” kinds.
One whom forever hated the Japs
One whom want nothing associated with the Japs, including revenge
Ones who have moved on..
Speaking to people from my home country, I can watch their fear and terror. Babies thrown high up into the air, landing on the knifes at the end of Japanese rifles. Entire families killed because one member is hiding information from the Japanese. Children gang-raped, beaten and dumped.
I only count myself fortunate, I am of the first group, the ignorant. For those who are still suffering, what pain it must have been, to watch your loved ones tortured, raped and killed.
war sucks, wether it is Japanese towards the other Asian nations. But I have something against China too… Mao is the greatest low life.
EDIT: I do not know how he does it, the Dalai Lama, the numerous Rinponches, who effortlessly teach their most precious gifts to the Chinese, even after losing their home, their people killed and their land littered. For me, these are examples of truly enlightened beings. I admit, I cannot do it … at least, not yet.
Stranger, there is a difference between assimilation and annihilation. The Japanese were after annihilation and not asshimilation. That is the atrocities suffered by all of Asia. In fact if you add up the dead toll of the Chinese killed by the Japanese, it is about twice of that of the Jewish population killed by Hitler, and we all know what Hiter’s Third Reich did. This does not include those killed in the other parts of Asia. Even in the present, the Japanese has not yet openly admited to the atrocities they had undertaken during WWII, like the rape of Nanking or testing of chemical and biological warfare there. They are the ONLY nation from the axis power today that has not apoligized to the Chinese or the rest of Asia for their atrocities. This testifies that even the current generation still rejects or denies any crimes committed. Sick. In fact, Japan’s current history education program, removes most of Japan’s “shady” involvment in China and East Asia. Now they are trying to alter history books? Sick. How can the Chinese or East Asian people forget and forgive if something like this today still persist. Sure, China’s suppression of religious freedom is cruel today, but they don’t go in killing an entire family or annihilate an entire group of people for " experiment" or what they called a “cure” for the " Sick Man of Asia". China’s involvement in Vietnam during the Ming dynasty is far different than that of the Japanese. The Chinese crimes were in many cases isolated incidents, involving corrupt generals and local governors-spoils of war, that were not supported or promoted by the Ming court, unlike the Japanese during WWII, which were supported and promoted by it’s government.
One thing that alwasy amazes me is when People misquote historical facts.
“Hitler killed 11 Mill. People in his Concentration & Death Camps not 6 Mill Jews.”
The rest were gays, political prisoners and other People that spoke out/fought against the regime.
FWIW, it has been confirmed that Turkey killed more Jews than Hitler did.
About 7 Mill.!
In case most of you didn’t know Concentration Camps are a British invention.
My own Grandfather was in a Russian ConentratonCmap for nearly 3 yrs, the same things happened there.
We’ve been known to re write/candy coat the old history books too…it’s just more widely accepted that we’ve done it and now are trying to undo it. What nation can look back without any disgraces? not trying to defend evil doings by any country, but…i don’t think anyone should be casting stones in the present.
War is war…Genghis Khan and his hordes supposely killed 20 million chinese…when they took over northern china. **** HAPPENs…yet the chinese don’t think about it anymore. Even with the JAPANESE…eventually they’ll forget…maybe a 50 more years…maybe a 100 years…but they’ll forget and move on.
