# Is There Any Hope For Traditional Martial Arts **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [November 1, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560 "2008-11-01T15:11:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GreenCloudCLF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/greencloudclf/32/570_2.png) [@GreenCloudCLF](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GreenCloudCLF)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 11:23am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/21 "2008-11-02T11:23:06Z")
Late 1970’s - Kung Fu (Thank you Shaw Brothers) Mid 1980’s - Karate (Thank you Ralph Macchio) Early 1990’s - Ninjitsu (Thank you Michael Dudikoff) Late 1990’s - BJJ (Thank you every Gracie whose name starts with an “R” and is pronounced like an “H”) Early 00’s - Reality style a la Krav Maga (Thank you Isreali marketing) Late 00’s - MMA (Thank you Dana White) I am not saying anything about style or substance. That is a different thread that has been beaten more than any dead horse. Everything happens in cycles. It is the way of the world. TKD should probably be shoved on that liste in the late 80’s also, but you get the idea. ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/22 "2008-11-02T14:03:51Z")
GC, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. It was Sho Kosugi who inspired the media-watching world to get into Ninjitsu! -and let’s not forget the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!!! Michael Dudikoff-peh! PEH, I say! ---
**Author:** ![GreenCloudCLF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/greencloudclf/32/570_2.png) [@GreenCloudCLF](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GreenCloudCLF)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/23 "2008-11-02T14:21:06Z")
[QUOTE=TenTigers;892896]GC, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. It was Sho Kosugi who inspired the media-watching world to get into Ninjitsu! -and let’s not forget the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!!! Michael Dudikoff-peh! PEH, I say![/QUOTE] American Ninja shows all Japanese how the white man can do well at anything. That movie was a huge impetus to get me into the martial arts. In fact that movie almost got Allie Alberigo a student. Good thing a Kung-Fu school was closer… ---
**Author:** ![taai\_gihk\_yahn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/taai_gihk_yahn/32/876_2.png) [@taai\_gihk\_yahn](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/taai_gihk_yahn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/24 "2008-11-02T18:20:03Z")
[QUOTE=GreenCloudCLF;892899]In fact that movie almost got Allie Alberigo a student. Good thing a Kung-Fu school was closer…[/QUOTE] but now he’s everywhere…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![irontiger1981](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/irontiger1981/32/859_2.png) [@irontiger1981](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/irontiger1981)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/25 "2008-11-02T21:07:49Z")
to me i think there is a lot of hope for traditional martial arts, because training for mma is not training for the street. i think there is a balance between modern and tma. i say you teach the traditional arts with modern methods. namean??? ---
**Author:** ![uki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/uki/32/826_2.png) [@uki](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/uki)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/26 "2008-11-02T21:12:56Z")
mma works only with rules… without them it is useless. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/27 "2008-11-02T21:36:18Z")
[QUOTE=uki;892977]mma works only with rules… without them it is useless.[/QUOTE] ? care to explain that? why can’t you pull out of it whatever is useful and use it in any confrontation? punches, kicks, takedowns, throws, locks and submission holds don’t work anywhere else without rules? ---
**Author:** ![lkfmdc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/lkfmdc/32/14_2.png) [@lkfmdc](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/lkfmdc)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/28 "2008-11-02T21:43:33Z")
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;892979]? care to explain that? why can’t you pull out of it whatever is useful and use it in any confrontation? punches, kicks, takedowns, throws, locks and submission holds don’t work anywhere else without rules?[/QUOTE] Dear lord, could I actually agree with a post by Jamieson :eek: ---
**Author:** ![uki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/uki/32/826_2.png) [@uki](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/uki)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/29 "2008-11-02T22:05:05Z")
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;892979]? care to explain that? why can’t you pull out of it whatever is useful and use it in any confrontation? punches, kicks, takedowns, throws, locks and submission holds don’t work anywhere else without rules?[/QUOTE]oh my… and here i thought you were the 10,000 post enlighted one… it’s a shame you cannot grasp the concept here. have you learned anything in your training? ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/30 "2008-11-02T22:35:59Z")
OOOOOOOOOH No Ya Don’t! Yer not sucking people into this tired old debate and hijacking this thread with seductive little lures like a promiscuous young tart fresh out of Catholic School, showing just a hint of lace and cleavage, as she accidently on purpose bends down to check to see if there;'s a run in her stocking, innocently brushing up against me with her supple yet firm…JUST STOP IT! YA HEAR?! ---
**Author:** ![irontiger1981](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/irontiger1981/32/859_2.png) [@irontiger1981](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/irontiger1981)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/31 "2008-11-02T22:51:52Z")
i think tma will stay alive as long as sifus teach the ways, to the right disciples.while stressing to those disciples the importance of the old ways and keeping each lineage pure, but letting modern methods and science to be a part of their training. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/32 "2008-11-02T22:53:08Z")
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;892981]Dear lord, could I actually agree with a post by Jamieson :eek:[/QUOTE] politics and religion? No. Martial arts? probably more same views than not. uki, that still isn’t explaining anything. what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/33 "2008-11-02T22:57:27Z")
Yep,take away the ref and the rules,and someone like GSP would be putty in my hands.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MightyB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/mightyb/32/227_2.png) [@MightyB](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MightyB)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/34 "2008-11-02T23:32:22Z")
Initially MMA competitions were good in that they helped flush away the Crap. Now the toilet’s been refilled with another type of crap… it’s kinda green- with partially digested peanuts… ---
**Author:** ![taai\_gihk\_yahn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/taai_gihk_yahn/32/876_2.png) [@taai\_gihk\_yahn](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/taai_gihk_yahn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/35 "2008-11-03T01:04:08Z")
[QUOTE=TenTigers;892990]Yep,take away the ref and the rules,and someone like GSP would be putty in my hands.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE] I walked by him on the street the other day and kicked his asz while waiting for the light to change BTW, if you ever get a chance to do some ground work w/Sensei Debra, seize the opportunity (you may have already for all I know, just sayin’) ---
**Author:** ![notanexit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f05b48/32.png) [@notanexit](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/notanexit)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 5:34am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/36 "2008-11-03T05:34:04Z")
MMA is good I think MMA has opened a lot of eyes and exposed a lot of frauds.The good thing is that you can easily check the credentials of a MMA teacher/trainer.With TMA all you have to do is get some forms and techniques from dvds,put on your pajamas,teach your mimicked moves from the videos,and claim to be a disciple of a chinese teacher.That’s what my former mantis instructor did(and still doing). ---
**Author:** ![TenTigers](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/tentigers/32/74_2.png) [@TenTigers](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TenTigers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:14am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/37 "2008-11-03T07:14:09Z")
dude, you trained with some guy in his pajamas? and watched videos? What, like a sleepover? That’s like training with Micheal Jackson. That’s just so wrong. ---
**Author:** ![GreenCloudCLF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/greencloudclf/32/570_2.png) [@GreenCloudCLF](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GreenCloudCLF)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/38 "2008-11-03T12:17:04Z")
[QUOTE=TenTigers;892985]OOOOOOOOOH No Ya Don’t! Yer not sucking people into this tired old debate and hijacking this thread with seductive little lures like a promiscuous young tart fresh out of Catholic School, showing just a hint of lace and cleavage, as she accidently on purpose bends down to check to see if there;'s a run in her stocking, innocently brushing up against me with her supple yet firm…JUST STOP IT! YA HEAR?![/QUOTE] I went to Catholic High SChool…man I miss those days! ---
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/39 "2008-11-03T12:24:26Z")
I think that MMA was a great shot in the arm for all those that THOUGHT they were doing MA in a practical way, it showed that the majority of people can’t fight their way out of a paper bag, no excuses. For those in the “know”, that whole “no rules” excuse is and was BS, many of us have actually fought no rules, like thew earlier Vale Tudo matches were, and some of us have actually used our MA skills for real, not in La-La land, and those people will tell you that what does work “for real” is what works in the ring: Speed, power, aggression, basics. As for TMA, Since I have always viewed MMA as a step “back” to real TMA training, I don’t see an issue. All TMA have to do to “survive” is brace the core principles of MMA training: Training with a resiting opponent ( alive training, as much as I hate that word) Training that covers all facets and ranges of a fight, INCLUDING weapons. Training with the highest caliber people you can find to see just how well you ARE training. ---
**Author:** ![SimonM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/simonm/32/535_2.png) [@SimonM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SimonM)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560/40 "2008-11-03T15:41:33Z")
[QUOTE=uki;892977]mma works only with rules… without them it is useless.[/QUOTE] Your opinions are largely useless. [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/is-there-any-hope-for-traditional-martial-arts/44560.md?page=3)