I was wondering how many of you out there practice the internal Iron Palm methods? Our school teaches it to a few students , usually as they move up from Assistant Instructor to Instructor, or if they show extreme dedication and interest. Our style of Iron Palm is based on the Five Element Fist and Foot(work) of TCM ( also found in Xing Yi ), and deals with training in the five elements. I was told that some Ba Gua schools taught is as well as Xing Yi Quan , any comments?
( our school did an article on the Iron Palm for the August Issue of IKF)
I have been taking the Internal Iron Palm course now for a couple of months. From what I understand, its suppose to be the same thing that Ku Yu Cheong practiced, he is on our honor wall.
ELFdisciple
Direct Disciple to the 37th Patriarch of Emperor’s Long-Fist Kung-Fu
Practitioner of:
Internal Iron Palm
Genki Ryu Do Karate
White Crane and Spirit Dragon SCA combat
Qigong, similar to the way Iron Shirt works but with different postures.
At least in systems I have studied…
I am also aware that some systems cultivate this through Yi (Mind intent). I cannot figure out any good reason that should work, but have seen some examples that it probibly does.
Where the intent goes, the qi follows. So if you do specific qigongs to put the intent into your palms, the qi goes there as well. That’s pretty much the theory about internal iron palm.
“I put forth my power and he was broken.
I withdrew my power and he was ground into fine dust.”
-Aleister Crowley, The Vision and the Voice
Iron palm is developed internally by several different methods depending on the school/style you are learning it in. Our system does it by use of training the hands in the five elements, along with proper stance training and herbal mixtures. I can’t draw it out in detail because I don’t have permission. I also don’t know a lot about it because I have only been told about the first deng training, which is earth. This method uses your chi from the inside out. The hands are heated in a mixture of herbs and sand on the first level which causes the marrow to swell and retract, making the bones stronger. Like I said if you want to know a little more our school did an article on it. You can also check our webpage www.dokungfu.com
Yes Ku Yu Cheong is honored in our school as well, however it does appear that he was a Northern Stylist
so I figured his influence must have came from the ELF side instead of the Southern Five Animals/Five Families Shao Lin. They don’t tell us too much until your accepted for the training, then they let you in little by little.
BTW, the internal iron palm I am learning does involve hitting things, we just do it completely differently. In the external system, it looks alot most other breaks you see in other systems. With the internal break, it looks fake. Its not, but it looks that way. The arm is fully extended, the bricks are usually about waist level or so, you do not come down hard and fast with a hit. The hand comes down on the brick almost like its slow-motion, the palm will make contact with the brick, but only a tap. The person focuses their chi into the block(s) and they break one of them. To show skill at this art, you must break one brick in a stack of five, usually brick number 3 or 4, while all of them are stacked on a silk pillow. I just started this art, I can’t break a toothpick this way yet!
ELFdisciple
Direct Disciple to the 37th Patriarch of Emperor’s Long-Fist Kung-Fu
Practitioner of:
Internal Iron Palm
Genki Ryu Do Karate
White Crane and Spirit Dragon SCA combat
Well, I was approved today to begin the Iron Palm in December my GrandMaster Kash. I can’t wait. ELF , keep me posted on your training its cool to hear about someone else practicing the same system.
Cool. First thing I suggest, obey the rules to the letter! Otherwise you could really be in trouble here. Second thing, get ready for you’re body to go through some changes, its weird. Things will happen that you don’t expect, some things you may overlook or not pay much attention to. I dismissed alot of things that happened to me as being coincidence, but after you put it all together it becomes hard evidence. Other things will be more real, you’re chi will flow when you don’t expect it to and you may hurt/damage people/things. Be careful. Most of all, remember, its not easy. Good luck!
ELFdisciple
Direct Disciple to the 37th Patriarch of Emperor’s Long-Fist Kung-Fu
Practitioner of:
Internal Iron Palm
Genki Ryu Do Karate
White Crane and Spirit Dragon SCA combat
Thanks alot. I heard that a guy once did the Iron Palm training, while having sex and eating chocolates and sweets regularly and he became insane. I don’t know how true this is but I really believe it. Also, I know that the few guys doing Iron Palm in our school have to avoid small animals and babies , they also have to show extreme care not to hurt anyone in class.
i just wanted to know who told you about the sex, chocolate guy going in insane? thats the funniest thing ive heard about iron palm, and why does one have to avoid small animals and children? i have to laugh out loud at that , no disrespect intended but why? ive been doing iron palm for 4 years from brian grey’s top student and if anything the palm becomes more sensitive to heat/cold light/dark and such so I think some one is pulling you chain… please respond
In one of Brian Grey’s books he talks about some practicioners having to avoid touching small babies. You’re in his lineage and you haven’t heard this?
Hmmm…about the “not touching baby” thing…I don’'t know where I read this, it might be while I was sifting through Gray’s books or maybee not…
Here it is: old chinese practicionners would advocate not to touch babies while training internal iron palm…but the explanation is that it wasn’t because the practicionner’s palm was full of deadly qi, it was because of the herbal formulas that were used to treat the hands, that could prove harmful to a small and fragile baby with a very porous skin…
I also heard many qigong masters say that the deeper levels of internal iron palm will make a man sterile…back in the days this choice might be worth it when your life was endangered often but nowadays it isn’t as justified anymore…
Just some things I heard, to add to the debate
okay I’ll try to make this short and sweet and then all you know-it-alls out there can smash me all you want and call our Internal Iron Palm fake if you wish, however please note that it will in no way make any impact on me because I can see your all trying to be objective and foolish. I see this WAY WAY to much here from those that barely have any idea what they are talking about! Its kinda funny , but its pathetic at the same time.
I am not shure why you can’t touch small animals and children, I just know that I have been told you can’t. I don’t know much about Brian Grey, but I do know that his word is not final. You amuse me. My teacher has spent far more time than Brin Grey in the CMA and has far more VALID credintials to prove it, such as signatures from Dr. Cheong, Ark Wong-Yuey , Chao Yu Feng, President Bush, President Clinton, etc…Your opinion matters not. I posted to get responses from those practicing Iron Palm, not those learning from books or frauds! I’m trying not to be hostile here but you ofend me by your statements and I am nobody to speak for GM Kash.
The story about the guy going insane comes from a respectable student in our school that has trained in many systems. During the first six weeks of internal iron palm you must leave several things out of your daily regimen including sex, sugar, yellow vegetable and other such things. This is part of your bodies natural change, you are supplementing it with a new source of energy.
If you think someone is pulling my chain, maybe its you! I imagine I could trust my teacher that has 40+ years in the CMA before I could trust some webheads opinion! You have offended me by disrespecting my teacher and I nolonger have any need for your close minded opinions. In the future pleae get the facts before you try to use the old " he’s a fake" line. That gets really old!
Will someone who’s trainined with anyone that knows anything about Internal Iron Palm or GM Kash please step up to the plate and tell me if I am wrong or right here?
Oh yeah, congrats your the first toes I’ve stepped on since my arrival, you should be impressed with yourself. I don’t get anrgy easy , but when you offend my Master, I take it to the most personal level. Just like I said in my last post, I have tried not to step on any toes, but many seem to want to put their foot out in the aisle. Please do not be so quick to down others when you yourself have no clue what your talking about! Once again I am sorry and I have tried to be a gentlemen to everyone, however it seems to get more and more impossible every day!
In Yang’s book about brain/marrow washing, he says that there’s a stage of training in which you must totally abstain from sex (it’s not that it’s harmful, it’s just that it’ll waste all the training you have done), and also if I remember correctly some food items are to be banned too…
So in this light, that makes sense that certain practices of internal iron palm would require such conditions too…
Sil Lum, why do you take it personal? You have to defend your sifu but don’t let your ego get bruised and bee upset about criticism…I’m sure your sifu would be the first person to tell you that he doesn’t care about criticism and he would let other talk **** while doing what he believes in, at least that’s what all serious martial artists I know do…
As you said, it’s the internet here…it’s a forum, not everybody agrees with the neighbor…I’d be upset too if someone talked **** on my sifu (uuhh, chances are he’s not known in the US anyway heheheheh), and I would defend him…but deep inside it’s a reaction unworthy of a true martial morality…accept the challenges, but ignore the criticisms
Plus we are all ignorants here…we are lil worms in the shadow of masters, yet we talk a million foldd more than they do…we’re more talk than action in here, the best way to improve woulb bee to train, practice, and stay away from any gong fu forum…nobody’s righ or wrong here (or maybe everybody’s wrong), we just discuss, mute men trying to convince deaf men that what they say is true…
Relax, take care, cheer up!!!
Thank you Pheonix for your understanding, and I must agree I think yor right on just about everything you just said.
>>>>we are lil worms in the shadow of masters, yet we talk a million fold more than they do…we’re more talk than action in here<<<<
Man, you couldn’t have said it better. Maybe I do need ot shut up and care less what people think. I am probably one of the few here that knows anything about my Sifu so why should I care what others think anyway? Your right, we all have a little learning to do. I know as a Martial Artist I should not let temper get in my way, and I haven’t until this one episode, and I apologize like any real man would do( or Woman).
Your also right on the point that my Sifu would care less what others think, I believe he would tell me the same thing. It’s hard to find a “legit” school, so I see why people are so quick to claim “fakes” , but on the other hand when someone tells me my Sifu is pulling my chain, I believe that would upset anyone. Everyone must understand that I look up to my Sifu in the highest regards possible to human beings, just like I look up to my father. In a way, Sifu is my Father, a Martial Father. I don’t think Sifu would " pull" anyones " chain" when it comes to something he has dedicated his entire life to, especialy a student as dedicated as me ( go ahead and laugh) . I hope to follow in his footsteps as well and teach our system to those that are truely willing to learn, so I guess thats why I took offense. Thanks for your understanding. ( and for the record you weren’t the one that angered me, allthough I appoligize to him as well, sincerely )
