# I hate wannabe thugs **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [January 14, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945 "2004-01-14T15:40:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Vash](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vash/32/417_2.png) [@Vash](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vash)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/61 "2004-01-16T15:23:59Z")
> Originally posted by PT-Kali > I may get a lot of flack from this statement, but I PRAY for the day that someone wants to make me a victim, I LOOK for some punk that may want to mug me, it’s something I train for everyday, and when I do train I visualize situationally, I don’t just swish my knife through the air, in my mind it’s a group of punks being slashed and stabbed; it may sound like a lot of bravado but it’s how everyone should train, not just doing fancy movements in the air… :rolleyes: In your mind, indeed. Have you ever actually been in a fight? If so, did it involve a weapon? Personally, I get really antsy when we’re doing knife disarms with rubber mock-ups, because I understand the consequences of getting cut. And, if you do encounter a group of “punks” set on causing you some problems, they will be armed. Stuff like that doesn’t go down easy. ---
**Author:** ![rogue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rogue/32/30_2.png) [@rogue](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rogue)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/62 "2004-01-16T16:24:08Z")
> Have you ever actually been in a fight? > but I PRAY for the day that someone wants to make me a victim, I LOOK for some punk that may want to mug me, > Read into that what you will Vash. I’m just glad that I’m a coward and don’t have pray for such things. ---
**Author:** ![Vash](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vash/32/417_2.png) [@Vash](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vash)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 5:08am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/63 "2004-01-17T05:08:17Z")
Indeed. Sooner a coward with both testicles still physically attached than a brave dumb@$$ with my stomach in my hand. ---
**Author:** ![cerebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@cerebus](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cerebus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 6:04am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/64 "2004-01-17T06:04:52Z")
First thing, always call cops (they may be late, they may not, better at least try. If you do have to fight to help someone out the fact that you called the cops first will be legally helful). Next, yell at the eejits! My own response in such situations is usually something like “You guys stay right there! The cops are on there way now! Don’t you go anywhere!” If nothing else, there’s a chance they’ll take off just because you told them not to. The next detail is the toughest of course. To jump in or not. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. If you decide to risk it just realize they may be armed (knives, guns) even if you don’t see any weapons. If you decide to go for it, take them by surprise. Take the first guy you attack out of the picture instantly (flying elbow to the back of the skull or football kick to his balls, which can be effectively done when running up behind him). Then don’t stop 'til they’re all down or running, you’re down & out, or the cops are pulling you off them. Difficult situation no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![SanSoo\_Student](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sansoo_student/32/149_2.png) [@SanSoo\_Student](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SanSoo_Student)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 7:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/65 "2004-01-17T07:59:08Z")
PT-Kali, that bravado is not a bad thing to train with just don’t carry it too far in training. In training you have to expect the worst, and try to rectify every situation you are thrown at. It is somewhat real and unreal in a classrom, because the environment is control. A real fight can happen anywhere… On the issue of getting mugged by multiple attackers, since you made it apparent that you would be carrying a knife. “in my mind it’s a group of punks being slashed and stabbed”, that is correct and incorrect in both ways. The correct way is that bravdo may be the only thing that will stop you from hesitating, but it is not correct in the sense that they are only being slashed and stabbed. If a mugging ever has more than two people, you should just stop at “slashed and stabbed”, you should be thinking I see a group of people that are waiting to be blinded, maimed, and stabbed in the throat. The only way I think (no experience in a group mugging, only bar fights) to survive in a group mugging is to fight to kill, and try to kill every m0therf\*cker as fast as you can. PT, you weren’t thinking in that extreme enough. You didn’t say that you were going to try and gouge everyone’s eyes, punch/stab them in the throat, step in the insteps, and knee them in the groin. Moves intended for serious injury and death. Because everytime I had a scuffle, no matter how drunk I was, if I could stand up and walk straight, I would always try and hit first if I sense any dumb@ss wanted to start \*\*\*\* with me. And I had always thought with the same “bravado” PT had, its IMHO the single most effective way to eliminate the fear or act of hesitation. Because you want to hurt the person, your not afraid of anyone, and it boosts your confidence and since you have aldrenaline already. All lights are go and start hitting the mofo look at you funny. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 10:46am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/66 "2004-01-17T10:46:09Z")
> Originally posted by PT-Kali > > I may get a lot of flack from this statement, but I PRAY for the day that someone wants to make me a victim, I LOOK for some punk that may want to mug me, it’s something I train for everyday, and when I do train I visualize situationally, I don’t just swish my knife through the air, in my mind it’s a group of punks being slashed and stabbed; it may sound like a lot of bravado but it’s how everyone should train, not just doing fancy movements in the air… Nah, no flak. However, you should actually be praying that you make it out alive, not that someone will make you their victim. Do you train against multiple attackers weilding multiple weapons everyday? how realistically? Do any of them have guns? Just some things to think about. Remember the story I alluded to earlier (the one I said I posted last year) where I stopped the guy who was mugging a paper boy? When he saw me and another guy running at him, he took off - luckily he didn’t get away with anything. But he had friends with him in the car. Luckily, they didn’t start shooting. However, the other guy that was there reached for his gun - with me being closer to the guy than he was, he may have shot me also. As luck would have it, he didn’t have his gun on him that day - reached for it out of habit from drawing practice, I guess. Anyway, those are things that can and do happen. People looking for trouble are usually prepared when doing so. It’s not a barfight, it’s a group of people who are out looking for trouble in the first place. It’s likely that they won’t be unarmed. If you bring a knife to a gunfight, who’s on the ass end of the stick? ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 10:50am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/67 "2004-01-17T10:50:29Z")
> Originally posted by cerebus > First thing, always call cops (they may be late, they may not, better at least try. If you do have to fight to help someone out the fact that you called the cops first will be legally helful). The one thing about cops is that it’s not their job to help diffuse the situation. It’s their job to take care of things afterwards - arrests, paperwork, etc. If a cop saw a guy beating a girl right now, he doesn’t HAVE to help her - it’s not his job. The day we stopped that mugging, there was a cop across the street. He didn’t even call an ambulance. when I went to talk to him, he told me that since we had already called 911, everything would be taken care of. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![EmptyCup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@EmptyCup](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/EmptyCup)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 11:18am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/68 "2004-01-17T11:18:58Z")
PT-Kali “here we go with the what if’s again…read above post concerning that…” these “what ifs” are pretty guaranteed to happen to you. Since you are 100% confident in winning due to your 3" blade knife I figured I’d ask you how you can be so confident when the odds are against you. At the LEAST they’d have knives too if not guns. Even one-on-one knife fighting is stupid when it can be avoided let alone 3-on-1. Unless you’re Steven Seagal I don’t see how you can be so confident. YOU really SHOULD be asking those what ifs! "LOL, and I just read your quote “you’ll send them below”? but what if…LOL" ??? I don’t see what you’re talking about. That’s a little fun with a sig. You’re missing my point… “Seriously guys, we all have different viewpoints on this, it’s OK, really!!!” It’s “ok” that you feel so confident but I"m just asking you to consider some things you don’t seem to have considered and still don’t… ---
**Author:** ![rogue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rogue/32/30_2.png) [@rogue](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rogue)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/69 "2004-01-17T16:01:08Z")
Most people don’t learn how to insert themselves into a situation like NP described. There are things you can do to increase your chances of succesfully taking out the muggers while minimizing risk to yourself and the victim. But you have to train it in a alive (nod to MT) manner. I’m betting I can out shoot most gangsters but how do I use my gun in a situation like NPs, how do I use a knife and how do I use bare hands. ---
**Author:** ![Unmatchable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a183cd/32.png) [@Unmatchable](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Unmatchable)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/70 "2004-01-17T19:55:58Z")
Physical training won’t do shet. You need mental training. If you have low confidence, or are scared boy because you got bullied, or are a puzzy, you will never change unless people around you help you or you change your mentality. FIghting is 90% mental anyway, the winner of the fight is usually known before the fight even begins. The people that win fights don’t give a \*\*\*\* what happens, don’t think ahead, don’t worry about the consequences or what people will think of them or whether they will win or lose. ---
**Author:** ![SevenStar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sevenstar/32/114_2.png) [@SevenStar](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SevenStar)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/71 "2004-01-17T22:30:39Z")
> Originally posted by Unmatchable > [B]Physical training won’t do shet. You need mental training. If you have low confidence, or are scared boy because you got bullied, or are a puzzy, you will never change unless people around you help you or you change your mentality. FIghting is 90% mental anyway, the winner of the fight is usually known before the fight even begins. The people that win fights don’t give a \*\*\*\* what happens, don’t think ahead, don’t worry about the consequences or what people will think of them or whether they will win or lose. [/B] you’re partially right. Quite obviously, someone who has a similar killer instinct AND training will have the upper hand. The problem is that training MA is in some cases counter productive to fighting. ---
**Author:** ![PT-Kali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PT-Kali](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PT-Kali)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/72 "2004-01-17T23:24:55Z")
Guys- you’re beating a dead horse here…some of what you are saying makes sense, but not for me. Yes, I am confident. Yes, I’ve factored in many what-if’s, but the simple fact is you guys do not know me, and have NO clue what I’ve seen, done, been, or anything else. If YOU want to see weaknesses in your system, abilities, confidence, whatever, that’s fine. LOL but please, save all your trying to do the same to me, it’s not going to work. Frankly, you guys seem to be kids by some of your posts, and have no real world experience. My suggestion is find a martial art that has more “martial” in it than “art”. Or join the military like I did, go get some action, sh!t in your pants because of fear, sleep with the not knowing if you’re going to wake up, get the adrenalin dump where everything is in slow motion and you can barely see but your eyes are wide open, etc. I will NOT be a victim, plain and simple. That is not an option to me. Sorry you guys can’t understand that. The only easy day was yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![rogue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/rogue/32/30_2.png) [@rogue](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/rogue)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/73 "2004-01-17T23:57:04Z")
Just wondering, what branch and MOS? ---
**Author:** ![BAI\_HE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb9ed0/32.png) [@BAI\_HE](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/BAI_HE)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/74 "2004-01-18T01:08:29Z")
LMFAO! Pt-Kali are you a Ninja! HhahahahhahahHHHHAhaahha. Oh lord. ---
**Author:** ![Vash](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vash/32/417_2.png) [@Vash](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vash)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/75 "2004-01-18T01:59:25Z")
Sh!te, dude, I guess you’ve been there, done that, gotten the T-Shirt and the nifty coffee mug, and done been done with all o’ that “what if” stuff. You must certainly know what it’s like to go against three or more armed attackers with nothing but your handy pig-sticker. Truly, I sit in awe of your martial skills. l33t $k!llz! ---
**Author:** ![BAI\_HE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb9ed0/32.png) [@BAI\_HE](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/BAI_HE)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 2:06am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/76 "2004-01-18T02:06:04Z")
If he knew he was too deadly for this thread beforehand, would he have bothered to post? Therein lies the question. I am actually on leave from my last Spec-OPs black bag Op, that is the only reason I have swung by to \*\*\*\* on you guys. You don’t know poop. ---
**Author:** ![EmptyCup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@EmptyCup](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/EmptyCup)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/77 "2004-01-18T03:48:31Z")
I have in my lifetime, seen numerous fights, altercations with weapons such as bats, machetes, knives, guns, pipes, chains…one-on-one, multiples, huge hundred person melees… After such experiences what I do know is: 1. Chance/luck has alot to do with your survival no matter how skilled you are. 2. When things get escalated no matter how hardcore you are you’re still human. Sometimes things get confusing and you get overwhelmed 3. If you’re only one man chances are you will lose to many men 4. Not even Keanu Reeves can really dodge bullets in real life 5. No matter how much you don’t care about getting yourself killed, there are others who love you who do care about your worthless life 6. The law favors criminals not victims P.S. don’t anybody ask me for more details…I’m in black ops so I am sworn to secrecy 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PT-Kali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PT-Kali](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PT-Kali)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 5:20am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/78 "2004-01-18T05:20:40Z")
Never said I was in “black ops”. I was a regular infantryman, and not even an officer. And I further suppose that rude a$$ comments from Bai He or whomever is supposed to get me all riled up, and you probably expect me to come back with a rash of insults, etc. I won’t feed your attention, Bai He, go and play with someone else. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PT-Kali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PT-Kali](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PT-Kali)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 5:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/79 "2004-01-18T05:55:32Z")
Rogue- US Army, 11 Bravo, '69-'73 ---
**Author:** ![Oso](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/oso/32/63_2.png) [@Oso](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Oso)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2004, 5:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945/80 "2004-01-18T05:55:58Z")
Why is it called ‘black ops’ I find that offensive. [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/i-hate-wannabe-thugs/24945.md?page=5)