Let me first state that Kung Fu is everthing to me, my love for it has spawned over twenty years now and still seeking knowledge and wisdom of authentic Chinese martial arts. In saying so I make this statement for those who know who they are who try and bring discord, your efforts have failed, actually making me stronger in my convictions. So I say to you, we are not divided but on the contrary for ever more united. There is a saying “when I was a child I did things of a childish nature, now that i’m a man I cannot make the same mistakes”. Hung-Sing Choy Lee Fut under my Sifu Master Jew (Dino) Tien Loong, is alive and well. We with a fervent heat will not be, belittled, ill spoken of and or lied upon for dire circumstances will result. Hung-Sing CLF has been given its second wind and those that don’t like the way things have turned out, be aware of the problem solver,he’s here and ready to do the job, no questions asked. To my classmates and most of all to you Sifu, we are united and always will be. To those of that want to cause discord, ask yourselves one question? Do you think it’s worth it? I promise you it will not be. It pains me to bring our business out but let the chips fall where they may, those who know who they are are not family anyway. So in closing if you do not have anything nice to say, then keep your mouth shut and go on about your business. :mad:
Trouble Makers
It’s a tough situation Troy. Wasn’t the case years ago, before the wonders of the Internet. Those who now have a virtually global forum were stuck talking **** to the very few who would actually listen to them. Today, it’s entirely different. The cowards who cause trouble are generally able to hide from those who would hold their feet to the fire. The other thing is that someone with decent computer skills can send messages that read as if they are from another source. Difficult to tell if the message is really from the party indicated and is apparently a favorite technique of the wussy troll groups for causing crap to happen. Best of luck shutting down the nonsense. John
Just for the record. The view of Sifu Troy Dunwood, Sifu Frank McCarthy or Sifu Dino Salvatera do not represent the views of all Hung-Sing players in the United States. It is wishful thinking on their part to think that they are the supreme authority on the history of Choy Lay Fut. As there is no universal governing body of Choy Lay Fut, there can be no appointed historian.
The truth is that the history of Chinese martial arts, CLF included, is muddy at best. It is not enough to rely on the memory of our elders. We need primary source materials of verified authenticity. We need the assistance of academics who can lend their critical eye to the process of finding the truth. Objective observers with no financial interest in proving that there lineage is the “purest” or that they received the “true transmission.” Unless we approach this academically it simply becomes a matter of “he said, she said.” At the end of the day it is all meaningless posturing.
Whether or not the Green Grass Monk existed has no bearing on Choy Lay Fut today. We are not revolutionaries in China. We can have no idea what our kung fu ancestors life was like in old time China. Kung fu is no longer only a matter of life and death it is a path to good health, self-defense and self-discovery.
What we do know is that our kung fu ancestors developed some of the most simple and efficient yet devastating techniques that the world has seen. We should all try to learn from each other and pool our knowledge. We should not waste our time on bickering, instead we should be training, learning about ourselves and our capabilities and helping each other to turn deficiencies in to strengths.
That way we can go out and beat the living crap out of all the Hung Ga and Wing Chun players…
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!
Peace and Yau Sam
Fu-Pow
“Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu does not encourage its students to abuse or harm others with no reason. Nevertheless, in times when Kung Fu must be performed, Choy Lay Fut requires the student to change from a gentleman into a fierce and cold fighter.”
-Lee Koon Hung,
CLF:The Dynamic Art of Fighting
Now I know I have no business in here but can someone tell me what’s going on?I’m kind of confused.
“Always be ready”
I don’t know what’s going on either…
but the “Problem Solver is here” and he’s going to solve the eproblems “no questions asked.”
Jeeeez - I’m scared!!!
To be honest Sifu Troy - I know people can get you wound up with their macho “challenges” to your lineage and honour and blah de blooh blah blah. But that type of language just keeps the whole situation wound up - isn’t gong Fu about taking a step back from all this ****. Maybe if you toned down your self -righteous tone on your posts then I would listen more.
Please note: THIS IS NOT A SLUR ON YOUR KUNG FU OR HONOUR OF YOUR LINEAGE. IT IS JUST A COMMENT ON YOUR USE OF LANGUAGE. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF HUNG SING CLF AND WOULD NOT MAKE ANY VALID COMMENT EITHER WAY.
“We had a thing to settle so I did him”
Tamai, 43, was quoted by Police as saying.
Troublemaker…
Hungmei Jack is fast becoming one of the biggest troublemakers in this, and other, forums.
So far he has threatened several persons and the admin of this forum with physical violence because he does not like what he reads here. He has not refuted anything posted here that he deems as false, he merely demeans himself by cheap ginmill intimidation techniques that probably have served him well thoughout his colorful life. He is but another simple bully with a long resume of masters he has jumped to and from searching for something he cannot find.ˇ
Hello Sleeper,
Has Jack threatened the admin of this forum with physical violence? Judge and jury on something that doesn’t concern you directly? It isn’t at all clear as yet and the two gentlemen concerned are dealing with the matter themselves honorably and off-line. Who are the ‘several’ persons he has threatened on this forum - how many people are appropriately deemed to be ‘several’?
Any cryptographer knows the value of abstracting words or phrases out from their context in order to make them ‘mean’ something else. Context is generally more indicative of meaning than abstraction. If people want to understand a whole situation then context is a requirement, otherwise their own agenda’s or confusion/misunderstand will intervene.
This internet forum is full of people who neither know nor understand one another, so it will take time for misunderstandings to be cleared up.
Who are these masters that he has jumped around?
Do you know them personally? Do you speak for them?
What is it that you apparently KNOW that he is looking for - but that you allege that he will never find? How can you KNOW with any certainty other perhaps than through your subjectivity that he CANNOT find whatever it is that you seem to be so sure that he is looking for?
The questions I put to you above would help me to appreciate any approriate context that you may have for your assertions.
Sincerely,
Steve Richards
LYS-Pai- Hungmei is a bigboy(I assume). There’s no real danger here, so he can hone his sad social skills w/o you following him around and sticking up for him(which is even sadder)… and what does YOUR post have to do with the topic?
Nevermind, I don’t care… All you homeboys on a firstname basis, get a grip-this IS an INTERNET FORUM and if you can’t handle the pressure of being a participant, then buzz off. You will not be missed. There are many more emotionally weak toughguys around… and seriously, cut out the threats AND petty excuses. This Hungmei is the worst PR imaginable for your Pai…
Thank you kindly for your reasoned and articulate
contribution, edifying for all.
kindest Regards,
Steve Richards
Sifu Troy Dunwood
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> In saying so I make this statement for those who know who they are who try and bring discord, your efforts have failed, actually making me stronger in my convictions. So I say to you, we are not divided but on the contrary for ever more united. There is a saying “when I was a child I did things of a childish nature, now that i’m a man I cannot make the same mistakes”. [/quote]
At this point I thought you were talking about the whole choy lee fut family.. Sadly you weren’t.
I don’t understand what it is your fighting against. I don’t remember seeing you, your school or branch “belittled, ill spoken of and or lied upon”. So what the hell is going on? Are you purposely trying to make trouble with your revolutionary speech? Isn’t it you, who’s bringing discord at the moment?
And just to make it clear. I am in no way trying to attack you, your school or branch in this case. I’m simply trying to understand what it is your doing.
Listen Up !!
This post is intended for a few memebers of our immediate Hung Sing Gwoon USA family, so I say to you if you are not from this family, it’s none of your business. The party or parties involved know who they are, otherwise it’s not your affair. And as far a macho is concerned its not macho i’m just prepared to cross that line, are you? Meditate on that one! I don’t try to put my belief on anyone, so don’t direct the garbage towards me, i’ve never directed anything towards you.
Fu Pow
Fu Pow, I have never directed anything to you, in any fashion, you don’t know me, my feelings or any of the sort, you have a issue with my classamte or Sifu and you might ought to be careful when it come to my Sifu, be very careful. In short direct your business to those who have called reason for.
just a responce
we at the american hung sing branch of choy lee fut have never, and do not claim to be “The Authorities” on the history of hung sing choy lee fut. that includes myself, my sifu dino salvatera, and my classmate troy dunwood.
to fu-pow, your lineage is of jeong hung sing’s branch, and it saddens me to know that you have no
desire to know your hung sing history. personally i feel it is very important to know who your family was so you will know who you are today. because there are major differences between the chan,hung sing and buk sing families when it comes to our clf. personally i wanted to know why?
that led me to doing the research on our history.
i have no ill-will towards the chan family of clf,
my only issue is that for many years the chan family has put out their story, and when we put out ours, the chan family made comments that hung sing people don’t know their roots. so it was my mission to understand and research, and root out all possibilities of our history. i have heard a great many things, and have kept them in the back of my mind, and have never spoke about them outside of my kwoon. yet i still listen, absorb, and sift thru the stories to make out some type of sense of things.
i agree, most of all gung fu’s history is as fu-pow says is muddy at best. but that also goes to where i said that written history of those times were not available. i believe it was only the 3rd generations that began to record their histories. as far as reports from the chan family, it was chan yiu chi-3rd generation master that recorded their history, not chan heung himself.
i agree with most of the people posting their messages that i may have acted in a silly and excited way in responding to joseph, and have since backed off, but i am very proud of my hung sing history. and in responce, i know i came at it all wrong.
unfortunately, i have to go for now, but will be back in a few to finish my statement.
this is not an attack, so people please, keep negative comments to yourself for the time being.
sifu frank “jew hung loong” mccarthy
The “Sleeper”
Steve, what a hoot! Seems the frequent crap slinger’s personality has “split” yet again. Not content with his electronic ventriloquist dummy act he’s now taken to ripping off Woody Allen flicks for a moniker 
Guess the corresondence student market has bottomed out John
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> and you might ought to be careful when it come to my Sifu, be very careful [/quote]
Are you threatening a fellow CLF brother? It might be a good idea for you to read the rules of Choy Lay Fut as set forth by Chan Heung.
Fu-Pow
“Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu does not encourage its students to abuse or harm others with no reason. Nevertheless, in times when Kung Fu must be performed, Choy Lay Fut requires the student to change from a gentleman into a fierce and cold fighter.”
-Lee Koon Hung,
CLF:The Dynamic Art of Fighting
Newest Addition
Hey Steve, check it out! Now I’m being demonized by the “West Coast” and characterized as “'the worst” representative for the LYS Pai. Hot Damn!!! I’m Number 1 and I’m nation wide John
2nd half of my responce
to phoenix eye, premier:
have you not learned from myself and joseph this type of bickering and snyde remarks are just a waste of time.
my classmate sifu troy dunwood has a legitimate reason for his comments. he is speaking the truth about people who are quick to insult,shoot down, and be-little, such as those who have attacked me and claim to be of the hung sing lineage, even though i originally attempted to share my findings, although i approached it the wrong way,
but have been ridiculed by those who seem cemented in their beliefs, whether it would be of their own of in others.
yes i am a hung sing clf practitioner. but i have also studied all three families of choy lee fut and have found that this dis-agreement goes back farther than you and me, and yes the elders have fought about this because that is one of the main reasons the chan heung memorial assoc, had been founded, to squash these petty quarrels and try to come together as one family-“choy lee fut”.
unfortunately, the students-not the sifu’s who say
“don’t listen to those people” the students are the ones who are quarrelling because we care most about our lineage. and still, the chan family continues to push “their” version of how the hung sing family was created,developed, and passed on.
that is my main gripe with the chan family. jeong yim passed down his history to his students who passed it down to theirs and so on and so on. and yes it can become distorted, but i have conferred with other hung sing branches to compare notes, and we all seem to believe the same, no differences in the stories between the hung sing schools. yet is the chan family who state that the hung sing people have their story incorrect.
this is not a shot at the chan family, just what i have experienced. i have a tattoo on my arm and that reads “hung sing choy lee fut” and sifu fu hang ng covered it up and told me all he see’s is choy lee fut. i understand what he meant, yet i am still hung sing clf.
fu pow- i don’t appreciate your comment that me, my sifu and troy are acting like the “supreme authorities” on the history of hung sing choy lee fut. it is clear to me where you stand because you
have spouted off the chan heung 10 family rules instead of the original hung sing or your own branches family rules. as any gung fu man would,
i will warn you once, not to speak of my sifu in any such manner again. your sifu and my sifu are aquaintences, and my sifu will not openly discuss any other sifu’s but has made comments to me on how much he respects your sifu and your sigung lee koon hung. my sifu dino salvatera even showed much concern when your school was beaten up by another school in your own school. and yet you disrespect my sifu with your comments. how would your sifu feel about your comments, or did he tell you to make them?
fu-pow if you do not wish to know your hung sing history, then that is your choice. your sigung lee koon hung was a fierce hung sing master and believed in the history!
gotta go again…will be back for 3rd responce.
sifu frank “jew hung loong” mccarth 
CLF people might disagree with each other on occasions, but attack one then you have fight them all.
Fear not the man who has learned one thousand kicks, fear the man who has practiced one kick a thousand times.
alecm
pls. email me thru my website.
you have been mistaken with your claims of me giving out your info to s. africa.
your website is public domain and anyone anywhere can take your information if they chose.
let’s take this off the forum. not their business.
sifu frank
Oringal 10 hung sing kwoon rules
fu-pow this is for you if you choose to keep it!
- seek approval from your sifu.
- practice hard.
- fight to win.
- sex in moderation
- eat healthy.
- develop strength thru endurance.
- practice your breathing.
- expel the yik wak tik sounds.
- never back down from an enemy
- through practice you cannot be harmed.
these are the original 10 hung sing rules passed down from your sigung’s lineage of hung sing choy lee fut.