As I’ve asked in the subject “How many different types of SLT are there?” For Sil Lum Tau, are there different types with different sequences? The one I just learned has 8 “loops”, each loop ending with you in a (ma bo?) horse stance and your fists in facing up, by your arm pit, and the elbows are pointing from your back and not to the side. I hope I’m describing it right.
Anyhoo, I was just curious. Are there variations? I ask because I was in another Thread that claimed people were doing SLT for 30min-1 hour, and that lead me to belive there’s more than 1 form.
In my opinion there is only one sil lum tao, people do however have different ways if practicing the same form. I dont think that changing the emphisis of a couple of movements can justify giving the whole form a different name.
What you described sounds like my first form.
“I ask because I was in another Thread that claimed people were doing SLT for 30min-1 hour, and that lead me to belive there’s more than 1 form.”
These people just do the form very slowly, I’ve taken thirty minutes to do the form before but im trying to increase that.
Thanks for replying. In your msg, you stated 1st form. I’m assuming there’s a second and third form? If so, is that part of a larger form that I haven’t yet learned?
Wing chun is made up of 6 forms. Three empty hand forms caled sil lum tao, chum kui and bil jee; there is also a dummy form a pole form and knife form. (Cant remember the proper names) so they aren’t really part of a larger form. Im sure some one on here will dissagree with something i said so wait and see what other people say.
I would say a more general description is that there are 3 minimum hand forms in WC:
Siu lim tao
Chum Kiu
Biu Jee
Along with a minimum of 3 additional sets:
mook yan jong (wooden dummy)
lok dim boon kwun (6 and a half point pole)
baat jam do (8 directional knives).
Other styles have additional forms or sets but the above 6 are the minimum that appear in just about every style of WC. Also different lineages may use different names for the forms.
Regarding just the first form, Siu lim tao, every lineage probably has slight variations in it, but the general order is usually the same. For example, a tan sao may be in a slightly different place, or a huen sao may make a larger rotation, etc.. Each form is usually modified slightly to fit the philosophy of the lineage.
I was just curious. Are there variations? I ask because I was in another Thread that claimed people were doing SLT for 30min-1 hour, and that lead me to belive there’s more than 1 form.
I think what you need to know Enree, is that there is more than one WAY to perfrom the froms.
Some think the forms are a bunch of movements/techniques that you will use in a fight.
Others think the froms teach power-generation through structure, focusing, linking etc… (training different things takes different amounts of time also)
Train which ever way you feel will be the most benificial to you!
It’s still a bit confusing. I can see your point in that, pending on why you practice SLT, it can be different due to concentrating on different things. Physically though are the movements any different to the naked eye? Meaning, to an outside observer is can he/she tell a difference? I would think that if an insider (one who practices SLT/ is keen on observing forms) would be able to tell that someone’s perhaps stressing slow precise movements vs inner power.
From what i’ve seen and been told, an outside observer would see everyone doing slt differently but an insider would see small differences that don’t really matter.
Originally posted by Enree Physically though are the movements any different to the naked eye? Meaning, to an outside observer is can he/she tell a difference?
Yes. See the William Cheung lineage WC clips on this page and tell me if it’s the same SLT that you do:
The real important differences in SNT/SLT require more than just visual inspection to detect. Cosmetic changes will not hide fundamental weaknesses at the core. Even people within the same lineage will practice and learn different things from the ‘same’ SNT/SLT.
In TWC there are three versions of SLT practiced. The first is the most basic, with small radius huen saos and no stepping. The second has larger rotations, some stepping in sections, an additional section and some additional movements.
The third has the “secret TWC footwork” which Yip Man taught only to William Cheung
The third has the “secret TWC footwork” which Yip Man taught only to William Cheung
Shhhh. Dr. Leung Jan showed that to me while setting a fractured
bone in Gu Lao!! I was a closed door student! I ain’t been the same since! Wanna see some pictures?
Joy - There you go shattering illusions again. We all thought Ng Mui was an old flame and you got it all straight from the source
Dzu - Well said (Gong!).
IMHO everyone will have their little differences and some, over time, will become “different” lineages. The key is, do we know what we’re doing and why, and does the what and why hold up with where we want to get to? Each and every point can help us train, help us defend, and help us offend (boy that word seems out of place So, how much can we understand from our teacher, and how much can we realize ourselves?
