# how is it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Wing Chun\ **Created:** [August 17, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415 "2004-08-17T02:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@Hendrik](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hendrik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/1 "2004-08-17T02:55:58Z")
How is a great idea Wing Chun figher suppose to fight according to you? what kind of technics accompany with what kind of power issuing? what type of range? how will it look like?.. care to share what is the vision in your mind? Just post what you think is your vision on how an Idea Wing Chun figther looks. care to share? NO putdown on others please. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn\_LaShay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/41988e/32.png) [@Shawn\_LaShay](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shawn_LaShay)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 3:57am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/2 "2004-08-17T03:57:28Z")
Hi Hendrick’ From whatever position you’re in prior to engaging (0\*, 20\*, 45\*..etc.), get busy!! Shawn ---
**Author:** ![anerlich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/3 "2004-08-17T04:20:08Z")
> Just post what you think is your vision on how an Idea Wing Chun figther looks. Like me, but with my broken tooth fixed and even more handsome (as if that were possible!) There … I didn’t put anyone down (other to imply the obvious, i.e. they are not as handsome as I) ---
**Author:** ![AmanuJRY](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/amanujry/32/523_2.png) [@AmanuJRY](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/AmanuJRY)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 4:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/4 "2004-08-17T04:22:49Z")
Re: how is it? > Originally posted by Hendrik > How is a great idea Wing Chun figher suppose to fight according to you? Simplely, directly and effectively.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@Hendrik](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hendrik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 5:13am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/5 "2004-08-17T05:13:48Z")
How about this one? [http://www.wes.4mg.com/](http://www.wes.4mg.com/) ---
**Author:** ![anerlich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 5:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/6 "2004-08-17T05:38:29Z")
wcis4me no accounting for taste I guess 😉 \*\*\* resists temptation to post pics from [uglypeople.com](http://uglypeople.com) \*\*\* Seriously, seeking contact, shutting down the opponents ability to strike and defend through positioning and control, and then striking fast hard and furiously until he hits the floor. All done in a few seconds max. After which WC’s “world famous secret” groundfighting techniques come into their own 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Lau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@Alan\_Lau](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Alan_Lau)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 8:22am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/7 "2004-08-17T08:22:02Z")
I have to say the ideal WC fighter would be someone using the techniques found in the Wing Chun system in an artistic manner portrayed in (good) martial art films. ---
**Author:** ![WCis4me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a3d4f5/32.png) [@WCis4me](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/WCis4me)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/8 "2004-08-17T14:05:03Z")
> Originally posted by anerlich > [B]wcis4me no accounting for taste I guess 😉 \*\*\* resists temptation to post pics from [uglypeople.com](http://uglypeople.com) \*\*\* [/B] Anerlich you make me laugh all I have to say is 😛 LOL! On my serious note I agree EXACTLY with what Amanujury said “Simplely, directly and effectively” Hence the people’s pictures I posted. Best examples that I know of. Vicky ---
**Author:** ![Matrix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/matrix/32/240_2.png) [@Matrix](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Matrix)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/9 "2004-08-17T15:04:45Z")
I really like anerlich’s response since it provides me with the sense of vision that was asked for in Hendrik’s question. \*Bill ---
**Author:** ![Hendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@Hendrik](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hendrik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/10 "2004-08-17T16:06:36Z")
like a slipery snake slide into the target without hindarence and do a simple strike. like a laser sharp blade, sliding cutting into the flesh guiding by the bone into the “heart” elegantly. but not hinderance by the bone just one elegant slide and one zero time accerelation strike. Just one move. The slogan. dropping you while you amaze by my beauty and elegant. ---
**Author:** ![PaulH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@PaulH](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/PaulH)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/11 "2004-08-17T16:51:44Z")
I’ll second Hendrik! I feel this kind of terror against those “One”! =) P.S. I would add that you will never catch on what really hit you. Like a dumb and confounded oak tree, you fell while your ears are still ringing with the sound of a thunderbolt. How did it come to this? ---
**Author:** ![YongChun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/9fc348/32.png) [@YongChun](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/YongChun)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/12 "2004-08-18T01:08:30Z")
The master fighters in the Chinese movies, usually monks, handle the fight by calmly moving out of the line of fire just enough and either hit once to subdue or are able to control and neutralize without hurting. If you can do the without hurting thing, to someone trying to hurt you, then you are truly a master. That’s my definition of a master. ---
**Author:** ![Vajramusti](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/vajramusti/32/529_2.png) [@Vajramusti](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Vajramusti)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/13 "2004-08-18T02:01:57Z")
I like Anerlich’s, Hendrik’s and Ray’s posts- all 3 have important elements in them. A wing chun sifu who I know and is a friend— did part of his wing chun schooling in HK with Koo Sang. While there he met an elderly “master”(not from the IM line)- whose entire pole training involved - no blocking- a subtle body adjustment and a strike. Cant vouch for it but not bad as an ideal.. BTW on the “handsome” vote- the estate of the 3 stooges wouldnt let me nominate Moe as the handsomest wing chun man…but then… men are so ugly!! Compared to Halle berry, Nicole Kidman, Katherine Zeta Jones and the lady who played Yim Wing Chun and was in Crouching Dragon. ---
**Author:** ![CFT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/cft/32/438_2.png) [@CFT](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CFT)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2004, 9:09am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/14 "2004-08-18T09:09:01Z")
> Originally posted by Vajramusti > BTW on the “handsome” vote- the estate of the 3 stooges wouldnt let me nominate Moe as the handsomest wing chun man…but then… men are so ugly!! Compared to Halle berry, Nicole Kidman, Katherine Zeta Jones and the lady who played Yim Wing Chun and was in Crouching Dragon. > The actress in question is [Michelle Yeoh](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000706/) ---
**Author:** ![t\_niehoff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@t\_niehoff](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/t_niehoff)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2004, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/15 "2004-08-18T13:49:13Z")
YongChun wrote: "The master fighters in the Chinese movies . . . . " This is fantasy stuff, as is the legends, myths about Shaolin monks, etc. And it is a big problem – many people get “ideas” of what they think fighting _should be_ from fantasy, stories, Bruce Lee movies, etc. and they aspire to that and try and achieve that “look”. All that is crap. It is nonsense. That has nothing to do with the reality of fighting. Instead they should focus on what fighting “is” rather that what they think fighting should “look like” – it _is_ brutal, messy, intense, chaotic, where an opponent is trying their very best to resist you while at the same time pounding you – and how to cope with what “is.” You can only find out what “is” by doing it. Regards, Terence ---
**Author:** ![anerlich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@anerlich](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/anerlich)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/16 "2004-08-18T22:28:31Z")
> If you can do the without hurting thing, to someone trying to hurt you, then you are truly a master. Sounds like submission grapplers are the true masters by that account. But - even in the American academies where challenges are accepted, they’ll submit you the first two times, but if you are stupid enough to demand further retries they WILL break your arm or choke you unconscious. Also, even Ueshiba Sensei had to hurt someone bad to warn off the constant challengers. ---
**Author:** ![Hendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@Hendrik](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hendrik)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 2:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/17 "2004-08-19T02:07:58Z")
## quote: ## If you can do the without hurting thing, to someone trying to hurt you, then you are truly a master. Do the “without hurting thing” is not do nothing. It is just doing thing with non-reaction. while doing a non-reaction thing still need a high level of skill. is the skill give raise to a thunderbolt? a tronado? an explosion? a wind? a fire? a water? a laser cut? a… How is it? Cant be just fighting. that is too general. fighting with what? how? ---
**Author:** ![TBay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e79b87/32.png) [@TBay](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/TBay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/18 "2004-08-19T03:01:21Z")
The ideal WC fighter To an observer on the sidelines, my ideal WC fighter should display what seems like effortless efficiency, no matter what the striking distance. Almost invisible technique. Subtle evasion combined with or followed by simple but well-placed counterattack(s). The spirit would remain calm, like the eye of a hurricane. The opponent should be looking into a face that calmly looks back…just before the lights go out. ---
**Author:** ![Simon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@Simon](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Simon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/19 "2004-08-19T03:30:31Z")
An attack is made, but the attacker falls to the ground/retreats etc. Onlookers couldn’t agree on discernable specific techniques from the (to be) victim. Thats my idea of good wing chun. ---
**Author:** ![Hendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@Hendrik](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hendrik)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415/20 "2004-08-19T04:32:40Z")
When dream is no longer available for human. When open expression is depress. Creativity and innovation die. and what else live? Once, I was in Asia. Interviewing a room full of Design Engineers with master’s and PHd degree. I asked them, So what is your dream. Tell me. I wait for 15mins. No response. another 10 mins, some said dream is not practical. How can such a place produce great Designers? Can’t. A year later, the place collapse. Dream is the continous of evolution or even revolution. No dream. sooner or later everything die. some might not agree. But then Look at all the articles in the magazine for past 20 years. some of those who had dream post thier views and raise thier voice. and some become the leaders in thier field. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/how-is-it/28415.md?page=2)