Does anyone know a form or ever seen a form which was performed entirely in horse stance? northern, southern, shaolin, internal or whatever, has anyone ever seen such a thing? Not necessarily stationary, but which uses no stances other than horse stance?
Or if not an entire form, a good portion of one, or a drill, or something?
If anyone here knows shorin ryu, naihanchi kata, this is what I’m thinking of. Ever seen anything Chinese remotely like it?
kempo had some forms like you describe. Not sure about any chinese. Only thing I can think of is some sets that involve what you described but they were never considered forms unless someone mistaked one for a form. Don’t know.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;975233]kempo had some forms like you describe. Not sure about any chinese. Only thing I can think of is some sets that involve what you described but they were never considered forms unless someone mistaked one for a form. Don’t know.[/QUOTE]
lau gar in the UK’s first set is performed entirly in a horse stance, 10 hands movements performed on each side in the horse stance.
i believe its is there to teach leg strength and some of the basic hand movements not a fighting set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9UHtaKmLQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4iuR88xCBs&feature=related
I don’t know of any that have you sit in horse for the duration, but, we have a set that a large portion of it is performed out of a horse stance. Probably about 70% of the set is sitting in horse.
Yes, stances are mobile, but they often are not trained in that way. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;975256]I don’t know of any that have you sit in horse for the duration, but, we have a set that a large portion of it is performed out of a horse stance. Probably about 70% of the set is sitting in horse.
Yes, stances are mobile, but they often are not trained in that way. :-)[/QUOTE]
ditto
you can always just make your own :eek:
we have a drill at Wah Lum in which we go thru all of the different stances.
but i’m not sure if thats what you’re asking
If the whole thing is done in horse stance, how wouldn’t it be stationary?
[QUOTE=IronFist;975410]If the whole thing is done in horse stance, how wouldn’t it be stationary?[/QUOTE]
The horse is not fully stationary by any means. You should be able to do any function from the horse. Your jull mah forms teach you to move while in stance. You strike from stance, block, parry, and kick from stance. The stance gives you power and mobility. I have to admit though, some stances I have witnessed appear to be very wide, which would prevent myself at least from moving well or even from applying kicks and other functions.
Consider if you were just standing in place with your hands down by your side. You walk forward, backward, and even move side to side. Nothing to it. You remain in this same stance as you do all this. The same thing applies when you are in horse. You just move forward, backward, and to the sides while remaining in horse. It does not have to look like you are taking a dump all the time. I suspect most styles are that way.
LCP
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;975415]The horse is not fully stationary by any means. You should be able to do any function from the horse. Your jull mah forms teach you to move while in stance. You strike from stance, block, parry, and kick from stance. The stance gives you power and mobility. I have to admit though, some stances I have witnessed appear to be very wide, which would prevent myself at least from moving well or even from applying kicks and other functions.
Consider if you were just standing in place with your hands down by your side. You walk forward, backward, and even move side to side. Nothing to it. You remain in this same stance as you do all this. The same thing applies when you are in horse. You just move forward, backward, and to the sides while remaining in horse. It does not have to look like you are taking a dump all the time. I suspect most styles are that way.
LCP[/QUOTE]
Yea, I was kinda scratching my head on that one, all the forms I ever learned, in any style, always were done in stance.
Guess we have different definitions of stances
I don’t walk or fight in a horse stance 
I saw a form once that was an upper body qigong thing that was done entirely in a horse stance. It was coordinated movements + breathing type of stuff. Hard qigong. That counts. But it wasn’t really a form. It was more like an exercise that you were supposed to do for x reps.
[QUOTE=bawang;975244]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9UHtaKmLQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4iuR88xCBs&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Thanks bawang. those are good examples. My suspicion is that it will be southern styles like in those links which will have this type of form.
if anyone doesn’t know shorin ryu, this is naihanchi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk91kI_76jU
I know it is thoroughly Okinawan in its current form, but it must have been inspired by some type of Chinese martial art, it’s name is a transliteration of a Chinese name (exactly what, is debated).
There’s nowhere else to find people with such a wide diversity of experience with Chinese martial arts, so I thought I’d ask about it here.
hey man no problem
people on the south coast like to practice their kung fu on boats thats why
moving forward 2 or 3 steps then move back 2 3 steps is jiangnan chuan quan “boat fist”
Park Bok-Nam’s version of baguazhang teaches a moving stances routine for each of the eight basic stances of the style.
The one for horse is done out of horse.. moving from horse to bow, step through, back to horse, then to bow, then step through… all while doing parrying motions and basic palm strikes.
I was always told it was basically a bagua version analogous to preying mantis basics.
Alternatively, does anyone have a form or drill which focuses on that unique inner knee kick/sweep? nei xi (inner knee) kick? in Japanese they call it nami gaeshi (returning wave). That could also be a link to the Okinawan form. It does look like something a person might use on a boat, but of course that type of technique is just as useful on solid ground. Picture having a hold of one or both of the opponent’s arms, squared off with him, and then kicking the legs out. Any equivalent in any of your styles?
[QUOTE=Leto;975435]Alternatively, does anyone have a form or drill which focuses on that unique inner knee kick/sweep? nei xi (inner knee) kick? in Japanese they call it nami gaeshi (returning wave). That could also be a link to the Okinawan form. It does look like something a person might use on a boat, but of course that type of technique is just as useful on solid ground. Picture having a hold of one or both of the opponent’s arms, squared off with him, and then kicking the legs out. Any equivalent in any of your styles?[/QUOTE]
In cma this is usually termed a “shovel” kick.
also, bearded hook step. (like general gwan seeping away his beard)
the kick is present in a few of the forms i know.
heard it refered to as a “scoop” kick as well.
In Jeet Kune Do we call it an oblique kick.
Octavio Quintero demonstrates it in this vid. He trained with my instructor under Sifu Jerry Poteet.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;975468] bearded hook step[/QUOTE]
sounds somehow erotic…
Present in all kinds of southern KF - the kick, not the eroticism.
naihanchi chodan it’s a karate form