I hadn’t heard about this. It’s really sad, for both families.
The guys involved both sound like *******s. I dunno, maybe they weren’t, and they let their emotions get the better of them.
Calm down, Jun_erh. It was a good life lesson for the kid: “Don’t take any bull$hit off of anybody for any reason.”
That’s one kid who will refuse to let anyone punk him in later life. Frankly, we need more people like that other than the run-of-the-mill garden variety sheeple we get now. (Although, speaking as a heavily hung Alpha Male, it’s somewhat nice living in a world of panty-waisted sheeple. I get to do what I want and watch the cowering mice scurry to do my bidding.)
Anyway, it’s obvious the jury agreed, otherwise they wouldn’t have only found him guilty of ‘involuntary manslaughter’ which is nothing more than Murder Lite. This guy won’t serve more than a couple of years (being a first timer) and maybe not even that.
Loud mouthed ratheads who don’t know whereof they speak need to keep their f*cking yaps shut. Sometimes it backfires on them. 'Nuff said.
Budokan,
So if some skinny punk talks smack to me and tries to punch me, then I have a right to kill him? I just don’t see the reasoning. I’m definately not one of the run-of-the-mill, cry-baby, new generation liberals seeing everything through an idealistic cloud. Maybe it’s just because I live so close to where this happenned and know people involved in that league, but Junta was way over the line. He deserves jail time even if it is just 3 years. (minimum sentence I believe) I just see people making too many excuses for their actions.
Budokan…
Normally you make sense, but:
“That’s one kid who will refuse to let anyone punk him in later life.”
No, that’s one kid who just saw his dad kill someone with his bare hands while he screamed at him to stop. For the next two years he won’t have a dad. I hope his mum has a good job. Kid’ll probably never do anything physical again his whole ****ing life.
“Frankly, we need more people like that other than the run-of-the-mill garden variety sheeple”
I agree that the world needs more decisive, assertive people.
I do not agree that the world needs more people who don’t have enough self control to stop when they are killing someone over a game. Do you really think Junta was justified?
Re-read your last post Budokan. Do you really agree with yourself?
law in the uk
Actually, in response to an earlier poster, here in the UK you do not have to state that you are a martial artist before entering into a fight.
It is a myth from the 1970s, along with the myths that a karateka had to register their hands as lethal weapons with the police, and warn a person 3 times (!) that they did karate before striking a blow, and carry an id card stating that they were a martial artist.
I dont quite know how the myths got started, possibly an over enthusiastic police officer “recommended” the ideas, and they got ingrained into the MA conciousness, maybe because they sounded kind of cool, although completely impractical. I remember repeating the myths as a kid, particular when I had just started judo!
Anyway, as the current UK law stands, if you are attacked, you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. The level of force must be proportional to the threat. Interestingly, the law allows pre-emptive strikes if you are in fear of your life or serious bodily harm. However, you must be able to justify the level of force to the police, and a court and jury if necessary.
The magistrates and police can be intelligent and use common sense, and do realise that claiming a martial arts skill is likely in some cases to inflame the situation rather than defuse it.
No, Junta should never have killed the guy. Even I agree he went too far in that. He also made the mistake of going back to hit the guy some more after he had already knocked him out. That’s what really got him into trouble and I’m not trying to condone that second action in any way.
Like I said in a post up towards the top, Junta has to take responsibility for his actions, just like everybody else. Nobody should be held immune from that. And, yes, that 100-pound coach should have thought twice before he took a swing at a 350-pound hulking bruiser.
OK. I agree with that.
also, as a little guy myself, i can say that if i come at you, and you don’t stop me by doing whatever you need to do, i am very capable of hurting you to the extent that my rage demands. not all of us hobbit folk are push overs.
maybe the bigger guy had a run in with a small fighter in the past and treated this guy as the same threat or perhaps he saw it that way to begin with. i know that much is speculation, but i don’t see size as any type of issue in this matter other than the fact that any little dude should accecpt that he might get really hurt if he goes around attacking big dudes. i aint no b!tch, but i aint no moron either … thus i accept this possibility.
self defense
i think that if a person is attacked…they automatically gain the right to use as much force as they feel needed to save themselves…we are not the police…human beings have the right(at least where i live) to live their life w/o being attacked…im sick of hearing about the rights of criminals…if you decide to attack someone, you are violating their rights…it should be expected to try nothing short of killing you to get home to their family.
I’m a peaceful person, but it’s not my place to make assumptions about what other people’s goals are when they swing at me first. I’d over-estimate
how’s he going to protect his family while he’s in jail? Obviosly he DOESN’T are about his family at all.
if he intended to kill the guy i might agree with you.
I agree with Budokans first post.
This “little” guy was no innocent victim to parental sports violence or a person unused to violent behavior.
Criminal records have shown that Michael Costin was arrested and brought into court 36 times between 1979 and 1995 on charges which incleded assault and battery on a police officer, illegal gun possession and violations of restraining orders.
Michael Costin has been to prison “7” times with sentences of up to a year and a half.
The guy just bit off more than his attitude could chew.
Junta won’t get more than a few months when the dust settles, watch it happen.
Here’s an old chestnut “To err is human, to forgive, divine”.
The accused is responsible for his actions regardless of the story that is formed in the media and given to us to perceive very generally as we are wont to do.
I think it is yet another display of rips in the fabric of society.
Would this have happened 30 years ago?
Why yes, it certainly would have.
Are there cases “like” this where violence became a factor in little league sports? Parents getting vocal and even physical with one another over game calls? This is a real problem in the north american social construct.
This is an instance where a fellow human lost their life in a setting that is conducive to aggressive behaviour.
How much aggression and violence, inside of -our- society, are we willing to accept as “justifiable”?
To me, that is the bigger question than the folly of the accused.
peace