History of Longfist?

Does anyone know how it came to be and why? What made it different than the SHAOLIN CH’UAN FA and LOHAN CHUAN? What’s the principle or concept behind the art’s primary emphasis on positioning rather than movments? Im wondering how would that accomodate as an advantage? Any disadvantage? Thank you. I absolutely admire the forms.

Shaolin Chuan Fa is a blanket term. Both Shaolin Longfist and Lohan(along with lots and lots of other things) would be under this category. It’s like saying Shaolin Kungfu or Shaolin Wushu.

Which would you recommend more for combat or street defense purposes?

Depends on who’s teaching :smiley:

Cool, same for all style then. :smiley: May I ask why did you make the switch from Longfist to Taiji?

Because I tore up my knee after botching a Longfist jumpkick, so I figured I’d take up Taiji for health and ended up sticking with it :slight_smile: I still do Longfist occasionally though.

Yikes! Is your knee ok now? Dont you ‘occasionally’ miss the acrobatic stuff of longfist, do you still do them after the injury?

Originally posted by Brad
Because I tore up my knee after botching a Longfist jumpkick, so I figured I’d take up Taiji for health and ended up sticking with it :slight_smile: I still do Longfist occasionally though.

Sounds familiar. :frowning: How many longfist forms do you have?

Originally posted by Brad
Because I tore up my knee after botching a Longfist jumpkick, so I figured I’d take up Taiji for health and ended up sticking with it :slight_smile: I still do Longfist occasionally though.

What form of Taiji are you studying now?

Just curious which TJQ style appealed to you.

Yikes! Is your knee ok now? Dont you ‘occasionally’ miss the acrobatic stuff of longfist, do you still do them after the injury?

Yeah, there’s days in class where I’m missarable not being able to join my friends in the jumpkicks, and I’m stuck doing Taiji with my mom, lol. The knee doesn’t seem to have reached 100% yet(and it’s been almost 3 years!), but every once in a while I feel good enough to do some jump kicks. A lot depends on the type of surface I’m on and how much time I spent at work :smiley: The only kick I absolutely can’t do now is the jump outside crecent kick. I can’t land anything one leg anymore. Until very recently, I’d been in pain every single day.

Sounds familiar. How many longfist forms do you have?

I think 10 barehand forms, 9 from standard longfist & 1 from mizong quan. I don’t remember all the longfist forms to well, though I remember all the techniques. A couple forms were also variations of the same form.

What form of Taiji are you studying now?

Just curious which TJQ style appealed to you.

Lately I’ve been working on 72 Sun, 42 Combined, 32 Jian, and 42 Jian. Sometimes I do 24 form as a warmup. I’ve also tried short forms from Yang, Chen and Wu. So far Sun & Chen are my favorites. I like Chen because it has the slow moving power building movements like Yang, plus the quick jumps and obvious power of longfist. In Sun style I really enjoy the light, quick, straight forward xingyi inspired stepping, and the circular uperbody movements from Bagua & Wu(Hao) Taiji. :slight_smile:

Well good luck to ya, hope it’s back to 100 percent soon. :slight_smile: Umm for a future student of longfist (and Taiji), any suggestions or things I have to watch out for? :smiley:

Helloo :slight_smile: is there any historical insights to longfist?

As far as I know, the only historical style known as “longfist” is Taizu changquan, or Longfist of Emperor Taizu, which is said to originate from the first emperor of the Song dynasty. In the early 20th century, “longfist” was a term of classification used at the Nanjing National Martial Arts Academy which referred to a curriculum of Northern-style forms such as Lianbuquan, Gongliquan, Zhaquan, Paoquan, etc… Most often, when you hear someone refer to “longfist”, it is used in this sense, as a blanket term to describe any of several different Northern styles which are “long” in nature… Nowadays you hear people talking about “longfist” as a style in itself; these modern “longfist” forms are, AFAIK, a recent invention, having been created in the 50s by a committee of MArtists under PRC authority, and based on techniques taken from such Northern styles as Cha, Hua, Pao, Hong, etc… the contemporary wushu “longfist” forms are competition routines based on these forms, with gymnastic moves added for flair.

I could be wrong though, and at any rate this is probably a gross oversimplification.

Adam Hsu has a good article on this here:

http://www.adamhsu.com/articles/long_fist_power.html

notice that he differentiates between styles that are actually called “longfist” (changquan) and styles that are classified as “longfist” styles…

Yah a lot of people would disagree that it’s simply a PRC routined demonstrative wushu, Ive already heard from quite a few from this board that it itself still retains its use of effective martial efficacy.

Hey Brad, what exactly did you do to your knee? What kind of injury did you sustain? A torn ACL, meniscus, ligament, strain, etc…

just curious, I’m currently studying sports medicine and was just wondering…

So, what style’s follow under the term longfist? I’m curious because my cousin showed me a form, and there were a couple postures I had seen in a book, that was said to be longfist. It looked VERY long too. I’m not at all familiar with longfist. He told me the name (the chinese name at least) but I couldn’t remember it. If one of you could list some that would be cool. I think it started with a “T” but I’m not sure if it’s the Tiazu one that had been mentioned.

There’s a lot…
Mizongquan, Chaquan, Huaquan, Huaquan(different charecter), Tai Tzu Changquan, Hongquan, Shaolinquan, Paoquan, are a few.

Hey Brad, what exactly did you do to your knee? What kind of injury did you sustain? A torn ACL, meniscus, ligament, strain, etc…

just curious, I’m currently studying sports medicine and was just wondering…

Completely tore my ACL, and most of my Meniscus(doc said there was one tiny little strand holding it together). There was also a bit of cartilage damage too.

Yah a lot of people would disagree that it’s simply a PRC routined demonstrative wushu, Ive already heard from quite a few from this board that it itself still retains its use of effective martial efficacy.

A lot of people don’t bother to teach the whole system, and the stuff you see in competition is almost allways either 1.The new compulsory routines(which are defenitely more focused on flash and athletic difficulty) or 2.individually coreographed routines.