rogerlee36, if you ever go to HFY in SF. Ask this question for me, especially to the students there. How long have they studied or trained HFY Wing Chun? And what forms have they been taught since they have been with HFY? Thanks
they already list here http://hungfakwoon.com/instructorsprogram.html
[QUOTE=rogerlee36;1179668]they already list here http://hungfakwoon.com/instructorsprogram.html[/QUOTE]
Yes, and that list does not even include any of the other supplimental forms in HFY like Keun Jong/Dip Gwat Gung SLT, Sup Ming Dim SLT, WC Formula, Saam Jin Bo, Jiam Jong training, knives & pole forms on the dummy, etc.
[QUOTE=rogerlee36;1179668]they already list here http://hungfakwoon.com/instructorsprogram.html[/QUOTE]
rogerlee36, that’s just a list on HFY web page. it doesn’t mean it’s being taught. to know for sure, you would have to ask the current students at the school.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1179685]Yes, and that list does not even include any of the other supplimental forms in HFY like Keun Jong/Dip Gwat Gung SLT, Sup Ming Dim SLT, WC Formula, Saam Jin Bo, Jiam Jong training, knives & pole forms on the dummy, etc.[/QUOTE]
JPinAZ, are you a HFY student? if so, how many years have you been training in HFY and what forms have been taught to you in it’s entirety?
[QUOTE=jonlee;1179768]JPinAZ, are you a HFY student? if so, how many years have you been training in HFY and what forms have been taught to you in it’s entirety?[/QUOTE]
Stop playing stupid, you already know I am.
What’s it to you what I’ve been taught, and who are you to ask about what I’ve learned? You’re the same guy that whined and cried some HFY guys wronged you, ‘tried to confuse you’ with chinese terms (haha on that one), censored your posts, whatever, but couldn’t give one bit of evidence- no login, no proof, can’t even name one thread to back up your “claim”.
You talk all this BS, and then expect answers to your repeated silly questions? This has Ben going on long enough and the game is getting old. I have nothing more to say to you - stop bogging down this thread.
JpinAZ,
I would be interested in answers to the question posed and I do not know you nor am I trying to start anything.
How long have you been training in HFYWCK and what have you been taught thus far?
Also, I am on the opinion that more does not always mean better and this is not directed at HFY or anyone in particular. Just that sometimes people make reference to knowing 40 or more forms and somehow try to equate that with being better.
Fell free to PM me if you would prefer, like I said not trying to stir anything up.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1179780]Stop playing stupid, you already know I am.
What’s it to you what I’ve been taught, and who are you to ask about what I’ve learned? You’re the same guy that whined and cried some HFY guys wronged you, ‘tried to confuse you’ with chinese terms (haha on that one), censored your posts, whatever, but couldn’t give one bit of evidence- no login, no proof, can’t even name one thread to back up your “claim”.
You talk all this BS, and then expect answers to your repeated silly questions? This has Ben going on long enough and the game is getting old. I have nothing more to say to you - stop bogging down this thread.[/QUOTE]
What is so hard or silly about telling someone how long you have been studying HFY and what forms have been taught to you during that time period? I’m sure anyone on this forum will be more than happy to share that information. Me for example, I’ve been studying WC for 10 years, SLT was taught to me for the first 8 years, and then parts of Chum Kiu were taught to me during my last two years. See how easy that was. If you can’t do that, then it just leads the world to believe that you have something to hide or that HFY students have something to hide.
I have nothing to hide, it’s just that ‘JohnLee’, you don’t deserve any answer from me after the krap you talk.
Who was your over 60 year old LA sifu who ripped you off? People asked you that many times
What was your login at HFY108 where you came here crying that you were sensored and they purposely confused you? You were asked many times
What threads did this happen on? again, no answer
I’m sure anyone on this forum would be happy to answer those questions. If you can’t do that, then it just leads the world to believe that you have something to hide or that you are just full of krap. :rolleyes:
You aren’t interested in HFY and IMO you’re just trolling.
BTW, this thread is for information regarding the workshop, not about my personal resume. I will not reply here again. Dave, I’ll PM you.
I’ve trained HFY under Benny Meng and Garrett Gee for 4 years (2003-2007) and after that I have only attended a seminar given by the Grand Master here in Rio at the beginning of 2011.
I’ve learned Siu Nin Tau, Bai Jong Baat Bo Jin and Dip Gwa Gung, as well as the Wooden Dummy form.
Considering I was a long distance student who only saw his teachers a few days twice a year, I believe I’ve learned a more than reasonable amount of forms.
What are the 5 major SLT concept? Is it root, centerline, two hands work as one, Lou lao hoy sung, and doi yin?
[QUOTE=Savi;1178761]from www.hfy108.com
Posted by Sifu Mark Jones:
[I]"World Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kung Fu Association () announces a Workshop and Instructor Training in Phoenix, Arizona on the weekend of August 17th to 19th 2012
Grand Master Garrett Gee () will be reviewing material from the 5 major concepts contained within the HFY Siu Nim Tau () level of skill development.
Schedule:
Friday 17th August
7pm 11pm Instructor Training
Saturday 18th August
9am 5pm Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Workshop
7-pm - 11pm Hung Fa Yi Wing Instructor Training
Sunday 19th August
9am 12pm Hung Fa Yi Wing Instructor Training
The Saturday workshop is open to all martial artists regardless of lineage or styles. Anyone interested in attending please contact the World Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Association Headquarters or the Southwest Regional Headquarters to pre-register.
Thank you
Sifu Mark Jones"[/I]
Sifu Mark Jones Southwest Regional Director
Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun of Arizona
1805 E. Elliot Rd. #110
Tempe AZ 85284 USA
(480) 820-2428
sifujones@hfyofarizona.com
www.hfyofarizona.com
www.hungfayiwingchunpai.com[/QUOTE]
Funny how all my replies have been deleted from this thread. Just like it was deleted on the HFY forum.
[QUOTE=jonlee;1181295]Funny how all my replies have been deleted from this thread. Just like it was deleted on the HFY forum.[/QUOTE]
This thread is intended for promoting the workshop, not for you to keep whining about your unfounded grievances. You already did that on another thread and your complaints and attachments to HFY were noted. Maybe it’s best you let go and move on.
And in case you hadn’t noticed, there are no HFY members that are mods on this forum.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1181302]This thread is intended for promoting the workshop, not for you to keep whining about your unfounded grievances. You already did that on another thread and your complaints and attachments to HFY were noted. Maybe it’s best you let go and move on.
And in case you hadn’t noticed, there are no HFY members that are mods on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Don’t know what I ever did to you JPinAZ, but I guess you want to make an enemy out of me. i guess we can be online enemies. Remember. you started this…stay tuned for more “whining” about HFY.
Mine got deleted too. Maybe people should just stick to the topic, then there wouldn’t be need for moderation 
For the record, I support sihing73 (Dave’s) moderation of all sticky thread announcements.
Let’s keep those clean guys. We can discuss and debate under normal forum threads. If we need to argue over a topic, start a new thread different from the announcement thread.
Date change
Update for the Arizona Workshop:
The event has been rescheduled for September 14th through the 16th.
Thank you,
Savi
The following is a write up from HFY member Michael Pyun on HFYWCK Chi Sao:
Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun’s Time and Space Chi Sao System
Vs
Skill and Technique Chi Sao Expression
Authored By: Grandmaster Garrett Gee
Written By: Michael Pyun
Grandmaster Garrett Gee’s Hung Fa Yi Time and Space Chi Sao System is extremely unique in the martial art world because it stresses maximum efficiency in combat as it relates to time, space, and energy. Without fully employing these three things simultaneously, maximum efficiency cannot be achieved no matter how one tries to explain or demonstrate it. In addition, HFY’s Chi Sao System is one-of-a-kind because it breaks down Chi Sao into three components: Kiu-Sao Chi Sao, Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi-Sao, and Chi-Kiu Chi Sao. Within those three components, the principle of Tin-Yan-Dae (Heaven, Human, and Earth) is dissected into four categories – arm, four-gate, six-gate, and body TYD. These concepts all fall under HFY’s Wing Chun Formula of Sup-Man-Diem, Five-Line Theory, and Two-Line Jong Sau.
In Hung Fa Yi’s Wing Chun Formula, Sup-Man-Diem pinpoints the exact reference points in space that allow you to have the strongest structure possible. Five-Line Theory teaches you the width of the space/box established between you and your opponent. And Two-Line Jong Sau establishes HFY’s Two-Line Defense concept as well as the depth and distance in space. These three things must be fully understood before learning HFY’s Time and Space Chi Sao System.
Now, many would agree that one of the main goals of Chi Sao is to build up sensitivity in the hands and arms. However, Hung Fa Yi’s Time and Space Chi Sao system goes beyond this by also teaching Tin-Yan-Dae Gate Theory. HFY’s TYD Gate Theory should not be confused with HFY’s Gate Theory because HFY’s TYD Gate Theory focuses on the three centerline Sup-Man-Diem points while HFY’s Gate Theory demonstrates interception at the Four-Gate Level. Further, HFY’s TYD Gate Theory precedes the moment of attack by first focusing on occupying space along the centerline using precise reference points in space to achieve maximum efficiency. Therefore, HFY’s TYD Gate Theory utilizes the idea of time and space instead of speed, power, deception, or the lucky strike to defeat your opponent.
Hung Fa Yi’s Time and Space Chi Sao System further dissects the idea of Tin-Yan-Dae by explaining the differences between Arm TYD, Four-Gate TYD, Six-Gate TYD, and Body TYD. Arm TYD teaches you range in combat as well as how to use the heaven, human, and earth points on your arm to produce the proper energy during Chi Sao. Four-Gate TYD teaches you how to occupy space along the centerline before you attack. Six-Gate TYD teaches you interception using the legs. And Body TYD teaches you power. Of course, each of the four categories of HFY’s TYD offers much more depth but only GM Gee has the ability to unlock this information.
Further, Hung Fa Yi’s Time and Space Chi Sao System has a definitive lesson plan mapped out by GM Gee that includes the teaching of Kiu-Sao Chi Sao, Chi-Kiu Chi Sao, and Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi Sao. Kiu-Sao Chi Sao and Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi Sao are taught at the Siu Nim Tau level while Chi-Kiu Chi Sao is introduced at the Chum Kiu Level. Each of these must be mastered in order to be proficient in HFY’s Time and Space Chi Sao System. Hence, GM Gee always refers to HFY Chi Sao as a system rather than just a skill. Without the depth and technological knowledge behind HFY’s trademark Time and Space Chi Sao System, it would be very hard to distinguish it from all the rest. Yet with it, the skill, efficiency, and effectiveness can be distinctly felt as well as appreciated.
Let it be known that Hung Fa Yi’s Time and Space Chi Sao System is not just a game, drill, or exercise to build sensitivity. It is necessary for combat. It does not have to start from a static position nor does it require facing your opponent. HFY’s Time and Space Chi Sao is a system for combat that exists with or without contact. The only constant is the use of time and space to achieve maximum efficiency in combat. Only when this occurs can HFY’s Five Levels of Energy (Ying, Chung, Lao, Saat, Fa) be used effectively. Without it, only Chi Sao skill and technique can be expressed and physical attributes must be used to become effective in combat. Moreover, HFY’s Time and Space Chi Sao System covers the three time frames of reality: Gate Theory, Five-Line Theory, and Inside-Outside-The-Box. Recognizing and understanding these three time frames is what enables a HFY Wing Chun practitioner to use a system approach to combat rather than a technique oriented one.
As GM Gee always says, “No technique handles all technique.”
This idea is what allows HFY’s Time and Space Chi Sao System to go from nowhere to somewhere. On the same token, nothing can be added or subtracted because Grandmaster Garrett Gee’s Hung Fa Yi Time and Space Chi Sao is fully complete.
The upcoming workshop event for the WHFYWCKFA draws near. With roughly two weeks remaining until the event, we continue the welcome for all lineages to come and attend. As it was done in Kansas City, Grandmaster Garrett Gee will personally reveal the HFY Wing Chun Time/Space Chi Sao system to all attendees here in Tempe, AZ.
Please contact the Tempe regional school for arrangements.
The following is a write up from HFY member Michael Pyun on HFYWCK Chi Sao:
Hung Fa Yi Wing Chuns Time and Space Chi Sao System
Vs
Skill and Technique Chi Sao Expression
Authored By: Grandmaster Garrett Gee
Written By: Michael Pyun
Grandmaster Garrett Gees Hung Fa Yi Time and Space Chi Sao System is extremely unique in the martial art world because it stresses maximum efficiency in combat as it relates to time, space, and energy. Without fully employing these three things simultaneously, maximum efficiency cannot be achieved no matter how one tries to explain or demonstrate it. In addition, HFYs Chi Sao System is one-of-a-kind because it breaks down Chi Sao into three components: Kiu-Sao Chi Sao, Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi-Sao, and Chi-Kiu Chi Sao. Within those three components, the principle of Tin-Yan-Dei (Heaven, Human, and Earth) is dissected into four categories arm, four-gate, six-gate, and body TYD. These concepts all fall under HFYs Wing Chun Formula of Sup-Ming-Dim, Five-Line Theory, and Two-Line Jong Sau.
In Hung Fa Yis Wing Chun Formula, Sup-Ming-Diem pinpoints the exact reference points in space that allow you to have the strongest structure possible. Five-Line Theory teaches you the width of the space/box established between you and your opponent. And Two-Line Jong Sau establishes HFYs Two-Line Defense concept as well as the depth and distance in space. These three things must be fully understood before learning HFYs Time and Space Chi Sao System.
Now, many would agree that one of the main goals of Chi Sao is to build up sensitivity in the hands and arms. However, Hung Fa Yis Time and Space Chi Sao system goes beyond this by also teaching Tin-Yan-Dei Gate Theory. HFYs TYD Gate Theory should not be confused with HFYs Gate Theory because HFYs TYD Gate Theory focuses on the three centerline Sup-Ming-Dim points while HFYs Gate Theory demonstrates interception at the Four-Gate Level. Further, HFYs TYD Gate Theory precedes the moment of attack by first focusing on occupying space along the centerline using precise reference points in space to achieve maximum efficiency. Therefore, HFYs TYD Gate Theory utilizes the idea of time and space instead of speed, power, deception, or the lucky strike to defeat your opponent.
Hung Fa Yis Time and Space Chi Sao System further dissects the idea of Tin-Yan-Dei by explaining the differences between Arm TYD, Four-Gate TYD, Six-Gate TYD, and Body TYD. Arm TYD teaches you range in combat as well as how to use the heaven, human, and earth points on your arm to produce the proper energy during Chi Sao. Four-Gate TYD teaches you how to occupy space along the centerline before you attack. Six-Gate TYD teaches you interception using the legs. And Body TYD teaches you power. Of course, each of the four categories of HFYs TYD offers much more depth but only GM Gee has the ability to unlock this information.
Further, Hung Fa Yis Time and Space Chi Sao System has a definitive lesson plan mapped out by GM Gee that includes the teaching of Kiu-Sao Chi Sao, Chi-Kiu Chi Sao, and Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi Sao. Kiu-Sao Chi Sao and Tan-Bong-Fuk Chi Sao are taught at the Siu Nim Tau level while Chi-Kiu Chi Sao is introduced at the Chum Kiu Level. Each of these must be mastered in order to be proficient in HFYs Time and Space Chi Sao System. Hence, GM Gee always refers to HFY Chi Sao as a system rather than just a skill. Without the depth and technological knowledge behind HFYs trademark Time and Space Chi Sao System, it would be very hard to distinguish it from all the rest. Yet with it, the skill, efficiency, and effectiveness can be distinctly felt as well as appreciated.
Let it be known that Hung Fa Yis Time and Space Chi Sao System is not just a game, drill, or exercise to build sensitivity. It is necessary for combat. It does not have to start from a static position nor does it require facing your opponent. HFYs Time and Space Chi Sao is a system for combat that exists with or without contact. The only constant is the use of time and space to achieve maximum efficiency in combat. Only when this occurs can HFYs Five Levels of Energy (Ying, Chung, Lao, Saat, Fa) be used effectively. Without it, only Chi Sao skill and technique can be expressed and physical attributes must be used to become effective in combat. Moreover, HFYs Time and Space Chi Sao System covers the three time frames of reality: Gate Theory, Five-Line Theory, and Inside-Outside-The-Box. Recognizing and understanding these three time frames is what enables a HFY Wing Chun practitioner to use a system approach to combat rather than a technique oriented one.
As GM Gee always says, No technique handles all technique.
This idea is what allows HFYs Time and Space Chi Sao System to go from nowhere to somewhere. On the same token, nothing can be added or subtracted because Grandmaster Garrett Gees Hung Fa Yi Time and Space Chi Sao is fully complete.
The upcoming workshop event for the WHFYWCKFA draws near. With roughly two weeks remaining until the event, we continue the welcome for all lineages to come and attend. As it was done in Kansas City, Grandmaster Garrett Gee will personally reveal the HFY Wing Chun Time/Space Chi Sao system to all attendees here in Tempe, AZ.
Please contact the Tempe regional school for arrangements.
The Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Pai has been in the public for over twelve years now, and its global exposure can be attributed to two largely published works and various articles. In the late nineties a book was published called Complete Wing Chun written by Robert Chu. In this book was a chapter originally written by HFY member John Murphy detailing a partial history of the HFYWC Pai. A few years later another book was written on HFY entitled Mastering Kung Fu featuring Shaolin Wing Chun, primarily authored by Grandmaster Garrett Gee and Master Richard Loewenhagen, which was quite an expansive project detailing many things about HFY over its 200 plus pages. This became the most extensive work ever written in the history of HFY to date. Numerous articles on HFY have also been published over the last twelve years. Yet, for all the contributions put forth for the martial community, history has shown there to always be politically/ill motivated characters who will spread rumors and misinformation in spite of the contrary. As this is an expected reality in the “court of public opinions”, there is always more than one side to any story. For purposes of this communication, we shall look at a few real life interactions to get to know HFY on a more personal level.
Ron Gaudino, an accomplished martial artist and fighter of 40+ years in a variety of traditional Chinese Gung Fu, recently returned from a trip to Hawaii. Now the thing is, Grandmaster Garrett Gee has not seen this man for about ten years prior to his most recent return, but after all this time Master Ron still told him that the world truly underestimates Grandmaster Garrett Gee and the legacy of the HFY Pai. I believe it takes one to know one, and in this case I can tell you Ron Gaudino is a genuine martial artist who after all his years of combat and training, pays tribute to Grandmaster Garrett Gee.
During a recent public workshop on HFY Chi Sao held in Kansas City, MO, another accomplished martial artist who achieved his 9th degree black belt master and instructor in Jiu-jitsu said just after two days of training with Grandmaster Garrett Gee he felt “defeated”, essentially meaning he recognized the enormity and effectiveness of HFY to the point that in spite of his tenure and achievements with Jiu-jitsu, he was overwhelmingly humbled by his experiences and exposure to the depth and breadth of HFY WCK by Grandmaster Garrett Gee.
Ret. Lt. Colonel Richard Loewenhagen, author of many published articles and the book Mastering Kung Fu featuring Shaolin Wing Chun, has devoted his life’s work to help preserve the legacy of HFY for future generations to come. As a war veteran and leader of leaders, who has literally taught over 1000 people over his tenure as a Sifu, he immediately identified the essence and quality of the warrior spirit and culture in Grandmaster Garrett Gee upon their first meeting, and chose to utilize his talents and resources to honor the HFYWC Pai.
There are many things these martial artists share, and as I said it takes one to know one. These men are more than just talk, because they also walk the talk too. Grandmaster Garrett Gee is a philosopher, a scientist, a multi-faceted teacher, and a fighter. He has fought many times in his life, even as recent as his latest trips outside the USA. Recently when he was visiting China he was attacked at a train station by several thieves trying to steal from him. Without hesitation he took out the first guy and the rest of the gang came in to attack. Unfortunately for them, they were all beaten and some were taken to the hospital. Shortly after, it turned out that gang, who all dressed in similar fashion, were notorious for stealing from people, and that event made the news. Grandmaster Garrett Gee is a man who has risen to face every challenge, and defines his chapter in the legacy of HFY as its Guardian and leader to the next generation.
Next weekend the Arizona workshop will be held. Grandmaster Garrett Gee will be personally presenting more of Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun’s Time and Space Chi Sao system to all people in attendance. Michael Pyun’s write up which I have shared here details a very unique and comprehensive method of Chi Sao’s inner workings as it relates directly to combat. Upon completion of this workshop the WHFYWKFA will be releasing more videos on HFY to the public. As more martial artists experience HFY WCK directly, I conclude that the desire for its authenticity as a combat science, as a life philosophy, and as a vessel for the kung fu culture, it is every bit a tangible reality for all martial artists around the world to connect with and experience.
Whether it is someone “threatened” by the existence of HFY, or martial artists from other disciplines who recognize genuine knowledge and the skill that comes with it, to all persons in the community I say this: HFY is here, and I pay tribute to HFY WCK and its Protector.
Ng Wu Sei Hoi Ging Lai,
Savi.
More information from the Chi Sao workshop can be read here: