help me get in shape

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Kung Fu Training and Health
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Hi, everyone seems to be covering the basics here so not much really to add. But if you want to do a little personal research here are some good places, www.specialtactics.com these guys are fitness gurus and the info can be applicable at any stage of development. Check back periodically as they have different articles and such. Also they talk of nutrition and various workout programs. Has many links too. Once you get in a good workout frame check out Pavel Tsestouline (spelling?) you’ll know the name when you see it. And also take a look at www.mattfurey.com You don’t even have to buy anything if you don’t want. Just subscribe to the free fitness report and you can learn a lot. He doesn’t sell out your email either so don’t worry bout that. Usually I get about 2 or 3 reports a week. Later I do plan to buy some of his stuff. I’ll post a thread on it when I see the results. The stuff I learned at these places I incorporated into my kungfu training and it has brought nice results. But don’t go overboard with some of the stuff from the special forces site untill you’re ready for it.

Just remember train smart and stay healthy. My sifu always says “no one knows your body like you do” so really it comes down to you to know your own limits. But work to stretch those limits a little a time.

Stay strong

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Greyfox…I still stick to my reccommendations I gave you earlier…if you want to slim down, this a crazy intense programme for a begginner stage person, and you should not only drop pounds but tone up markedly within a short period…If you’re including weights I would probably not suggest going to hard out at the moment,…you’re trying to decrease bulk remember…and besides, carbs are buliding blocks for the muscualr tear that happens when we overload during resistence… if you’re consuming minimal complex carb..it’s probably not the best idea…I’d say stay fast on this regime until your within 5-10 pounds of your ideal weight,… then pick up your carbs and resistence…2 mths is not a bad amount of time to do it in…

cheers and good luck:p :smiley:

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If I were you I would go with what BL said and try to lose all the fat before I lifted weights. Trying to gain muscle mass while losing fat will make it harder on you. Just lose the fat then change you diet a bit to deal with the weights. That’s probably your best bet.

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Hmm, agree with people re either diet or weights. Trying to do too much at the same time may be hard to keep up in the long run. However, I would do the opposite. Start off with weights for 6 months or so to build muscle mass, then go to a diet to cut fat. Reason? A muscular physique will burn calories more effectively than a sedentary person’s physique so the diet will be more effective. Of course, it doesn’t have to be weights that you do to get fit. Another link is http://www.trainforstrength.com. Check out the workouts and the HIIT stuff. Still, it doesn’t really matter whether you diet first or start exercise first. Both will bring results if you are currently doing nothing.

One last point. If you are a beginner to weights and diet, you will gain muscle mass while losing fat (as opposed to what Viper555 said). However, this only applies to beginner weightlifters, not to people with existing developed muscle mass.

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I never said he wouldn’t lose fat I just said that it wouldn’t be as fast as if he were doing diet and cardio. Also GreyFox: Definitely check out the HIIT stuff. That will help you lose fat extremely fast when mixed with a proper diet.

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It’s all good. Not trying to argue. Just that you said

Originally posted by Viper555
Trying to gain muscle mass while losing fat will make it harder on you.

Usually that’s true. Gaining muscle and losing fat are usually mutually exclusive activities. Unless you’re a beginner, when you can put on muscle and lose fat because you’ve never trained before (or it’s been a long time).

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That’s true. I get what your saying now. He still needs to know that that wont work forever though.

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well i went to class last night and i was exhausted i did the warmups and stuff with full force. as if i was attaking someone then at the end we did 150 side kicks i would have been ok but when we do begginer and intermediate tiger it is a lot of low stances and weight shifting so my legs was done when we got to kicks, let me check out this hiit stuff

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Originally posted by Toby
Of course, it doesn’t have to be weights that you do to get fit. .

well duh..I’m sorry, but that statement buggs me…weights will NOT get yiufit..they will get you strong…too much muscle is not conducive to a good ma performance and neither is bulk…remember…it’s a “smaller mans” art …

cheers:rolleyes:

Grey Fox…150 side kicks?! :smiley: …I love that…next time…or at home …shoot for 300 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Roflmao!! You got me. Anyway, weights can get you fit, just not the way Iron and I do them :D.

What I meant was “Of course, it doesn’t have to be weights that you do to build lean muscle”. Body weight exercises will work too (to an extent). My point was increased lean muscle will help him with his dieting. Still, weightlifting, whether for strength or bodybuilding or endurance or whatever will increase the fitness level of an otherwise sedentary person.

Not gunna argue about the weights and (non) bulking issue again ;). If I had a photo of me to post, you’d see although I lift a lot, I’m not muscle-bound.

Good to see you’re looking out for me as much as we look out for you, BL :cool:.

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Ever fought someone who’s very skilled and outweighs you by 50lbs?

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I did in a wrestling match one time. It was fun until he got a hold of me. Then it sucked. A lot.

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ahha…everyone outyways me by 50 lbs:p

when someone’s bigger than me, I just figure, it’s more of their own bodyweight to use against them…'specailly since my first move is normally a block then throw or take down…really that should be just about all it take it takes if you can get a good lock/hold on…size doesnt intimidate me in the slightest…

why exactly do you ask?

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Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]ahha…everyone outways me by 50 lbs:p

when someone’s bigger than me, I just figure, it’s more of their own bodyweight to use against them…'specially since my first move is normally a block then throw or take down.( or rib roundhouse or rib/ rear shoulder strike)..really that should be just about all it take it takes if you can get a good lock/hold on…size doesnt intimidate me in the slightest…

why exactly do you ask? [/B]

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Originally posted by blooming lotus
… 'specailly since my first move is normally a block …

Really? So do you ever open as the aggressor, or do you usually wait for the opponent to strike? Interesting. Could work well as a woman, since men will probably underestimate women in general and rush in expecting the easy victory. Although Iron’s question was someone who was very skilled so wouldn’t open themselves up unnecessarily.

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Blooming Lotus, why’d you quote your own post 3 minutes after you posted it?

Anyway, SKILLFUL people who outweigh you by 50lbs are freaking hard to deal with. Can you use all that extra bodyweight against them when they’re on top of you pinning you down? And a skillful, larger opponent will not let you upset his balance.

Skill being equal, the bigger (stronger) opponent has the advantage.

And then there’s the physical aspect: bigger people are harder to get holds and locks on because there’s more of them to put your arms/legs around.

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Originally posted by Toby

Really? So do you ever open as the aggressor, or do you usually wait for the opponent to strike? Interesting. Could work well as a woman, since men will probably underestimate women in general and rush in expecting the easy victory. Although Iron’s question was someone who was very skilled so wouldn’t open themselves up unnecessarily.

now you’re feeling me… remember, I have never done comps…so no..I have never opened as aggressor ( in recent yrs anyway;) :smiley: )…and it is easier not to fight being a woman, 2x for being tiny,…

as for the opening…I’m pretty sharp, I have no doubt if I need it, sincerely..I’ll find it :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

IronFist…there’s a V ery good reason why I quoted myseld directly after I posted and as soon as I think of it, I’ll be happy to share :eek: :smiley:

dude, I am only about 43kgs and dropping right now, I’ve rarely oin my life gone over 48 and have numerous amounts of times fought huge as*ed tongan and samoan boxers in real situations…even though it’s not Ma s such, the dude had fighting skill, if you think youre screwed for being smaller..I guess you will be…trust your technique and you can’t go wrong, elite performance is clinical…execute, execute, execute, the technique will take care of itself …even if they are 450lb and ready to go…

as for them not letting you in their guard, thats’ where your speed training comes in, as the little dude, you’ll have that…I prefer not to give them the choice…:smiley:

bigger people are EASIER to catch with a throw or trip, after you’ve redirected their strike…foot hand whatever…that’s where skillful ducking and swift manouvers play well …thewhole idea of kungfu, was to create a system the smaller dude could use effectively top overcome opponents…have a look at ninjitsu and japanese arts..the samurais werethe huge mofos raiding every town and village they came across , just for thefact no-one could do anything about it, then some dudes go..no f*ck this ****…and created ninjitsu to fight back..never had a drama since…trust your art and work your application…that’s its purpose :wink: :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Originally posted by blooming lotus
dude, I am only about 43kgs and dropping right now, I’ve rarely oin my life gone over 48

:eek: :eek:
Careful. I hope you’re short. That’s very tiny. My 4 yr old weighs over 1/3 and will soon be 1/2 of that.

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aye, bl may be small, but i have a feeling she has arms like hung gar peeps, which is equivalent to saying “she has arms like rebar.” that **** hurts.

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:rolleyes:

:cool: