Grading in Bak Mei??

Tao Yin

'certain situations’why not ask your sifu about these ‘certain situations’ does he not know or are you just comparing ‘my style is better than your style’ Analyzing-what through your p c ?
the best way of experiencing that move or tecnique is to do it a thousand times a day, then you might just get a fingertip of what posters are talking about with their training.
don’t be fooled and say yes I can visualize it so I understand. You will never understand1!!!
Am I hakka or cantonese? Ask F.T
Can’t you visualize from the posts.
Hear what is being said, don’t just listen.
From the answers you got on this thread are you satisfied?

cloud one

you are a d!ckhead you know that right? cant help to start ****, cause you are jealous of people that can get along and talk to each other. you are nothing, you are hated by all people here, how does that make you feel? like a C@NT right! Stop being a little b!tch that you are, everyone has asked questions even you!

i dont know all the answers and to say i do im lying to my students. i also encourage my students to seek other answer and opinions from other people, be it teachers or students or kung fu chat lines like this.

ask FT if your hakka? hmmm i doubt you are hakka or cantonese just a wanna be hiding behind this computer thinking you are. change back to sui fuw at least he is starting to act like a MAN! dont ruine yourself being a a$$ on the internet!!

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Grading

(TAO, welcome to Sydney. FT, bring that Seppo into town for a feed this week!)

In our school, no grading. Only Sifu, Si Hing and Si Di, and age plays a part as well as talent.

Pakmei makes a good statement. Accomplish as much in a lifetime, and you’ll be lucky, the journey is a long one.

Manits108 followed it up nicely, I concur with both of your philosophys.

You learn something, it enables you to learn someting additional, and then the layer on top of that, and when you get to the “top” layer, you recognise how little you learned at the basic level and return there to start the journey again. As you age, new challenges and new accomplishments change your viewpoints.

Anybody ever heard about the 10,000 times rule?

Sifu can guide you, but you must walk the way alone.

As the years pass your sifu and brothers know you by your skills, not by your belt.

Di Si Hing was given to me by my brothers, I didn’t ask for it. Sifu will be given to me perhaps one day by someone that wants to learn what I can teach. Master is given to a teacher by the strength of the students he leaves behind.

The new guy gets tea, and if he show’s diligence, people might start to remember his name. A Si Hing may take him under his wing to help him learn his lessons in time. Sifu will give him what he needs most, different for every student. Maybe even patterns in a different order. Different weapons. In the end it all comest together, Sifu doesn’t hold anything back from anybody. Perhaps one day the student will go to the temple with Sifu. Thats how it works in our school.

With our school, one in 10 comes back for a month. Of the 10 that come back, one stays past a year. Of the ones that stay past a year, half become brothers. Sometimes I wish we could hold more students, but then they wouldn’t be the same, if you know what I mean.

All that being said, the our modern society is built around “stepping stones”, “mileposts”, ceremonies of sorts to measure our passage through life. School grades, weddings, funerals for example.

I can understand why a big school might institute grading to motivate and track young students and work them towards joining the inner circle. It depends on the Sifu, each preatitioner has to find his own way as a Sifu too… Each Sifu has to find a way to make his Kwoon work. I know FT works the a$$ off his boys! No free rides.

Gwai lo Yum Cha

Your teachings has taught you well!!
You may have already reached si fu status with your last post. I give you my admiration.

From my experiences the way you learn is far from being a ‘gwai lo’ I commend you that you hear not just listen, and that’s a great way to learn without any concept of you being a white boy
:wink:
Now I understand why Sui Fuw respects Guangzhou, as for he believes there is a very fine line between student/teacher.

Now I know why you further your education from YKM
to Guanzhou as I knew they are not classed the same.

F.T - sui fuw e-mailed me to say that he will not be joining us, as Bui made him realize a few things. Probably how good YKM is HA HA HA FU[KING HA!!!
So you see even your student can be his teacher!!!

So is Bui your teacher now Sui?:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :confused:

The moral of this story is that there is a difference between wanting or not wanting to be a teacher and realizing you are a teacher

:stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: F.T :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

cloud one

any of my students can be your teacher lol!

ha ha ha fu(king ha :rolleyes:

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Cloud

You may be surprised that even you could have something to teach others but since you act like a complete sh!t, who gives a rats @ss what you have!

Pull your head in and stop thinking you know it all so much more than everyone else and you may 'actually " learn something. Who do you think you are?

Your right

Thanks Bui for the lesson, you’re right I have learnt alot. thanx.

‘who do you think you are?’ A question I frequently ask myself. Maybe you should try it sometimes!!!

Thanx F.T I see what Yum cha means by you make your boys work their ASS’S OFF!!! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

cloud one

whatever that means!

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Concerning grading

In our VN lineage, there is no real grading:

When you “join the club” you are considered nothing, not even a student. You dress all in white (innocence). During this phase you learn first 4 forms and one pole (baton) form.Plus you must to horse stance perfectely square (thighs horizontal) for 5 minutes. The difficulty is to do horse stance followed by forms, while maintaining speed, strengh and endurance throughout. Very difficult. Student is not directly taught to concentrate on rsing sinking swallow spitting principle, but more on solidity and fluidity of positions.

If student passes this exam he receives black belt of student. Then his training is personalised. Senior students are instructors.

Eventually (a long time 10+ years) he may pass red belt, master. No one has gotten this far yet in my school.

At master and grand master level, one dresses in black.

Thought this may be of interest.

What is after grandmaster level?

Only joking EAZ don’t answer that :smiley:

F.T I LOVE YOU!!!

Peace to you all. Have a wonderfull journey. Logging off for the time being.
Be happy and good luck!!!

F.T please feel free to e-mail me, if you are bored and want a scrap! hehehe, I will always lend my ear.

EAZ

Believe it or not you graded or that is still like a grading. belt or no belt in a grading and having a white tshirt and then moving to black is just like a belt! am i right? :wink:

in my school at the end of a 2 hr or more grading or should i say torment, they gotta do 30 minutes for beginners level horse stance. im not trying to put down any school but one must earn there next form be it grading or an exam of some type!

grading for the money like some tkd every 3-4 months is not my cup of tea. my guys may grade once a year if they are lucky.

thanks for the post :slight_smile:

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A side note

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fiercest tiger:
Believe it or not you graded or that is still like a grading. belt or no belt in a grading and having a white tshirt and then moving to black is just like a belt! am i right? :wink:

in my school at the end of a 2 hr or more grading or should i say torment, they gotta do 30 minutes for beginners level horse stance. im not trying to put down any school but one must earn there next form be it grading or an exam of some type!

grading for the money like some tkd every 3-4 months is not my cup of tea. my guys may grade once a year if they are lucky.
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  1. Concerning belts and shirts. I may dissagree with you there. In essence, you are either nothing, a student or a master. This is not what I would call “a grading system”. As for colour of uniforms, black is traditionnaly colour of master, so no surprises there and white is just…white ! So no I would be opposed to your thinking if you thought that this compares with complex belt colour systems etc.

  2. Concerning horse stance, I’ve just got to bite at this one. Although Australians are said to be tough :-), I find it hard to believe that a new student off the street can do 30 min horse stance, level, as in with a pole on his thighs to show that he is at right altitude. I imagine therefore that this is a student with some experience.

Even with experience, if your students do indeed do 30 min horse stance in this manner, I say good, work I am impressed. I personnaly have never gone over 10 minutes because after this time I sink below 90° angle and thus loose benefits of correct posture.

3.Money: Agreed, has nothing to do with practice, grading etc. It is only used to pay rent equipment etc.

Anyways,…

EAZ

Just curious, are you a student of Chau Phu? You are another Sydney boy, correct?

EAZ

What do you think a beginner new commmer is? white everything and then sihing and master? still a grading sylubus just done in a different way!! brother, elder brother , father, grandfather, great great grandfather, be it shirt or belt so students can tell who is who. :rolleyes:

my horse isnt like your horse and ive never seen bak mei do that horse stance before!? :slight_smile:

my students do 30 minutes of our horse stance for level one beginners, for sifu grade 1 hr. fact not fiction.. :slight_smile:

thanks for your reply

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Grading

You have to admit, there is a subtle less formal grading in traditional schools as well.

Red shirts for instructing Si Hing, belt knot on the side for student, in the centre for Sifu.

How worn out your belt is…

Nevertheless, when the brothers do their workouts, they all can see who has what.

susie-foos fights

squat to pee susie-foo says — no way on one step its pathetic
my father and i cross hand full out,but haven’t since ma passed.

shouldn’t be a problem 4 ur daddy to whup ur a*ss since u can only fight 1 handed. 2 busy jerking off all the time with the other :smiley:

fighting is fighting though,and the buzz of…some one feels so good,however concience takes over and then you feel like cr@p,at least i do anyway

of course u feel like cr@p, u r cr@p p)ussy hakka boy :eek: probably feels worse since u’ve always been the loser. maybe u will win 1 sometime & then u will feel like good cr@p, u know, like i do every morning after flushing another hakka turd down the toilet :wink:

EAZ

FT never said people straight off the street do 30 minute horse stance but they usually get chuckrd into a 10 min one though ! That usually sorts people out on the 1st night.That 30 minute stance is for their grading .

You may be sceptical of the duration of our stances but we do a "stack " of stance work. You’re as good as your stances, “bad stance- bad kung fu”

People seem to have this dislike for "grading " because they automatically think it’s some regimented Karate type school, taking away from the essence of tradional schools . that certainly has not happened at our kwoon, if anything we’re probably more traditional than alot that claim they are. Apart from the grading system in place there is no difference.

okay ,okay…

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fiercest tiger:
What do you think a beginner new commmer is? white everything and then sihing and master? still a grading sylubus just done in a different way!! brother, elder brother , father, grandfather, great great grandfather, be it shirt or belt so students can tell who is who. :rolleyes:

my horse isnt like your horse and ive never seen bak mei do that horse stance before!? :slight_smile:

my students do 30 minutes of our horse stance for level one beginners, for sifu grade 1 hr. fact not fiction.. :slight_smile:
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Okay FT, you are right, of course there is a hierarchy amongst students. I was just making a point regarding a detailed system with dan etc.

Regarding horse stance. I understand now that your horse stance is not quite as low as the one I was talking about. In that case, if it is “intermediate” height, yes we try to spend the entire course at this level, including during forms, and technical exercices.

Yum Cha: No, I have no knowledge of Chau Phu, although I may have been in contact with one of his students once briefly by email but I am not sure. However, both lineages come from Tang Hué Bac, student of CLC.

I live in Paris, learnt Pei Mei first in Montréal, Canada, and have lived in Vietnam for a total of 6 months studying Pei Mei.

Grading

EAZ, you picked up on the difference in our horse stance nicely.

We could never balance a pole across our thighs. We have a knees-in, toes in attitude that is different to many Shaolin styles, at least in our school.

Paris by way of Montreal. Another pin in the map :wink: Nice to meet you.

the monks robes f.t?one word"TRANSITION"i’m close yes?but to me thats not got anything to do with gradings,don’t bite my head off its just my opinion[hakka]beneath you. :slight_smile:

guys you talk on so many mins of horse stance.any one heard of the “bucket”?yummy since yours is up right any thoughts?