Fung Wah was a student of Leung Jan’s during the timer period Leung was teaching In Foshan. Very little is known about Fung Wah. It has been passed down in the Oral Traditions of Yip Man and Moy Yat that, “Leung Bik”, the suppoded second teacher of Yip Man, was actually Fung Wah or Fung Wah’s Top Diciple. Moy Yat, Yip Ching and Yip Chung were a few of the officiators at his funeral. Which Moy Yat and the Yip Brothers continued to visit and pay there respects to.
Is there a linage of wing chun that decend from Fung Wah?
Originally Posted by dlcox:
For what it’s worth. An oral legend passed down to me from the Nguyen Duy Hai line states pretty much the same story. Nguyen Duy Hai was a disciple of Ruan Ji Yun and brother of Ruan Kai Shan. Ruan Ji Yun was the teacher of Yu Cai. It was also stated that Leung Bik (Liang Bi) was actually an adopted son of Liang Zan by the name of Fang Hua, and it was Chen Hua Shun that called him Liang Bi (Stubborn Liang).
No. Fung Wah was a friend of Lo Kwai. Lo Kwai shared his Knife form with Fung Wah but not the same person . Lo Kwai did not go to Taiwan his family did sometime after his death. See link below. Lo Kwai was known for his knife work. he was Leung Jan’s second at Leung Jan’s challange fights and he was the one that arranged the meeting between Leung Jan, Chan Wah and Fung Siu Ching. This prevented a true fight between Chan Wah and Fung . Fung and Chan Wah were about the same age but Leung Jan was just about to retire. It was decided that Leung’s wing chun and Fung’s Weng Chun shared the same source but had developed differently. Weng Chun coming off the Red Boats 20 years or so after Wing Chun.
thanks hunt for sharing. just curious but any similarities to the cho 1 form (first part) that hendrik showed before?
Also, does Lo Kwai lineage have any comment on what LYT’s material was was specifically? Is it possible that LYT’s stuff is what Leung Jan based PSWC on?
[QUOTE=hunt1;1263626]No. Fung Wah was a friend of Lo Kwai. Lo Kwai shared his Knife form with Fung Wah but not the same person . Lo Kwai did not go to Taiwan his family did sometime after his death. See link below. Lo Kwai was known for his knife work. he was Leung Jan’s second at Leung Jan’s challange fights and he was the one that arranged the meeting between Leung Jan, Chan Wah and Fung Siu Ching. This prevented a true fight between Chan Wah and Fung . Fung and Chan Wah were about the same age but Leung Jan was just about to retire. It was decided that Leung’s wing chun and Fung’s Weng Chun shared the same source but had developed differently. Weng Chun coming off the Red Boats 20 years or so after Wing Chun.
[QUOTE=chunner;1263648]thanks hunt for sharing. just curious but any similarities to the cho 1 form (first part) that hendrik showed before?
Also, does Lo Kwai lineage have any comment on what LYT’s material was was specifically? Is it possible that LYT’s stuff is what Leung Jan based PSWC on?[/QUOTE]
I have no knowledge of Cho Family wing chun and don’t recall what Hendrick shown so I can’t answer this.
Kwai family maintains a written history so they do have some comments on LYT teaching but it’s more you can do X this way or that way. LYT preferred this way because. Not this was LYT curriculum this was WWB. It is possible what Leung Jan learned from LYT was basis for PSWC but I don’t know PSWC soIcan’t say what part of what they do is from where.
Thanks Hunt, I didn’t unite catch the last part but you were saying Lyt was showing LJ some stuff but it wasn’t like this is WWB and this is LYT, kind of informal it sounds like?
This is what Hendrik has put out the first section of his slt, any similarity to Kwai ? Does Kwai family also have LJs kuit?
[QUOTE=hunt1;1263660]I have no knowledge of Cho Family wing chun and don’t recall what Hendrick shown so I can’t answer this.
Kwai family maintains a written history so they do have some comments on LYT teaching but it’s more you can do X this way or that way. LYT preferred this way because. Not this was LYT curriculum this was WWB. It is possible what Leung Jan learned from LYT was basis for PSWC but I don’t know PSWC soIcan’t say what part of what they do is from where.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chunner;1263665]Thanks Hunt, I didn’t unite catch the last part but you were saying Lyt was showing LJ some stuff but it wasn’t like this is WWB and this is LYT, kind of informal it sounds like?
Exactly. evrything was taught but at the time things were not so formal.
This is what Hendrik has put out the first section of his slt, any similarity to Kwai ? Does Kwai family also have LJs kuit?
Interesting. There are some surprising similar things but Many differences too. Kwai family has kuit but some I have not seen other places. Focus though has always been on function over form. For example " Other hand always comes". If you have fighting background you will understand this one and how it applies to wing chun in actual usage. Have the usual receive what comes follow what goes etc.
Don’t all the older lines stemming from Leung Jan practice a ‘fourth’ empty hand form? Chan Wah Shun’s family has Sei Men Kuen, Ng Chun So had Jin Kuen, Lo Kwai has one etc. Usually stemming around some variation of the arrow concept. If Fung Wah/Leung Bik had been a student of Leung Jan and only one student, Ip Man, wouldn’t he have passed on this 4th form concept? Could be Ip Man didn’t learn it, think it useful or added it to the Jong. Interesting that these other students of Leung Jan passed on a 4th form but not Leung Bik.
[QUOTE=hunt1;1263668]Interesting. There are some surprising similar things but Many differences too. Kwai family has kuit but some I have not seen other places. Focus though has always been on function over form. For example " Other hand always comes". If you have fighting background you will understand this one and how it applies to wing chun in actual usage. Have the usual receive what comes follow what goes etc.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Hunt, would you say the differences are content (hands ie Pak) or order etc? Just trying to get sense of what you mean
[QUOTE=chunner;1263688]Thanks Hunt, would you say the differences are content (hands ie Pak) or order etc? Just trying to get sense of what you mean
What surprised you about it?[/QUOTE]
I have been planning on sending Hendrik a vid of the first form and the sections of the dummy that do not have a corresponding section in the Yip Man form. If i can figure out how I will place online where you can watch it. Easier than describing.
[QUOTE=dlcox;1263671]Don’t all the older lines stemming from Leung Jan practice a ‘fourth’ empty hand form? Chan Wah Shun’s family has Sei Men Kuen, Ng Chun So had Jin Kuen, Lo Kwai has one etc. Usually stemming around some variation of the arrow concept. If Fung Wah/Leung Bik had been a student of Leung Jan and only one student, Ip Man, wouldn’t he have passed on this 4th form concept? Could be Ip Man didn’t learn it, think it useful or added it to the Jong. Interesting that these other students of Leung Jan passed on a 4th form but not Leung Bik.[/QUOTE]
Kwai family 4th form is basically those concepts and idea’s that did not make it into the 3 standard forms. However many of the concepts became including in our knife and dummy forms. Basically 4th form are parts of the original long form plus some LYT san sik.
