in freeing arm when you practice in the form you you rub on the arm that you are freeing,but in application you don’t do it that way.At least I don’t I just attack his wrist with my other hand so he will release the hold.
Dont use 2 arms to deal with one. I wouldnt use this movement in the way you described earlier.
freeing arm, lol
think of this bit as anything BUT ‘freeing arm’.
almost every sifu has several interpretations of this. one you mght think about is studying the timing of hand replacement.
like lots of things in the forms there may not be a readily discernible ‘application’. Don’t sweat it, just play your forms, play hands with everyone you can and pay attention.
No readily discernible application?
then what is it doing in the form?
I think of it as a cool way to roll down shirt sleeves.
are you talking about…
“tut” sao? the motion near the end of SLT just before the last three punchs? if so we train to slid down the hand just as in the form. Why? You can not miss the grabing hand unless they let go! if its grabing you then it must be there by the end of the wrist.
if you just hit the wrist they might move your hand at the end of the arm causeing you to miss. also its a rather small target to hit in a fighting situation.
S.Teebas
Here’s one for you.Seriously though.
what if that concept refers to dealing with your opponent that has his 2 hands free?
If your opponent is grabbing you, he has occupied one hand also. therefore when using your footwork and doing the tut sao you will still be safe from your opponents other hand.
Hope this helps!!!
Roy..
what if that concept refers to dealing with your opponent that has his 2 hands free?
Yes, i think this is a good use for the movement. Quite useful actually!
If your opponent is grabbing you, he has occupied one hand also. therefore when using your footwork and doing the tut sao you will still be safe from your opponents other hand.
Im sure its possible, but i just dont like it. I’d prefer to do somthing else.
Yeebas, Alpha dog etc on tuit sao.
It is a very important motion in Yip man wing chun and its location in the form at the end is not an accident conceptually.
Roy and others have given you some valid ideas. There are quite a few others as well.Like all motions it has tobe done right- which includes whole body relaxed coordination. Ofcourse applications are best shown- its not easy to describe wing chun details verbally. A simple idea in execution can sound more complex than it is to an experienced person. Generally in slt upto the tuit sao… the two hands dont significantly touch each other. In tuit sao they do in a sticking sliding motion. When you learn how to do it right in a controlled way- you can slide on some one elses body while controlling him with the other hand.
Clarity of understanding the forms depends on one experience and level of development. There is a wing chun grappling in there too, not general grappling. Never mind. Will stop yapping.
Back to love-love is all you need. Love your opponent as you love yourself. He/she will show you the way.:-
tut sao
One other thing I like to say about tut sao that no one else has brought up.The motion of one hand rubbing agaist the other hand over long period of time conditions your bridges and increases blood flow and chi.I think tut sao is not so much for fighting but for conditioning and energy.
“Dont use 2 arms to deal with one. I wouldnt use this movement in the way you described earlier.”
I agree. If your opponent grabs your hand just hit him (most often). You don’t have to brake the hold if you have one hand free. Of course when he grabed you with two hands holding your wrist with one hand and an elbow with the second and when you are late you can’t hit but this is other technique.
There is an idea in the mentioned technique which is the most important thing. It teaches you to always have one hand back when the second is in front of you so you can not be trapped easily and so you can punch again just after your first punch.
Please have a read of my post in “What’s this do?” to get a few more ideas on the “scrapping hand” technique.
DMP:)
Tut sao
Has anyone considered what happens to the digits that get caught in between the 2 “wrist bones”? They may have 2 hands before the tut sao but will they have 2 fully functioning hands after? A cross hand grab puts the opponent’s thumb in jeopardy.
I agree. If your opponent grabs your hand just hit him (most often). You don’t have to brake the hold if you have one hand free.
i also agree. Hit them, tut sau, then hit them some more.