# FAST Tai Chi-- For Self Defence (a new concept) **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Created:** [February 13, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502 "2002-02-13T04:26:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/1 "2002-02-13T04:26:37Z")
The latest in C.M.A. My friends and I have been tryng this for 5 months now. and to me it seems a lot like Kung Fu but different in a way. And a lot more technical The more I practice, The more I can move around my opponent without them even touching me. I do mix this new technique with other Martial Arts. Like Kung Fu itself. But the calm easy flowing spirit helps alot. Now I can finally see how Tai Chi takes an action. Like if someone attacks you and turning it into a Re-Action of easy breathing self defence. DON’T get me wrong,I have years of Karate and Boxing. But I really believe this Fast Form of Tai Chi could be very leathal (If executed right) We didn’t run this idea by my Sifu yet. But we practice it because She suggested it. But she doesn’t know our progress. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:29am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/2 "2002-02-13T04:29:11Z")
If your going to do Tai Chi fast (my sifu yells at me.) “You better do it right!” ---
**Author:** ![EARTH\_DRAGON](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/earth_dragon/32/139_2.png) [@EARTH\_DRAGON](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/EARTH_DRAGON)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:34am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/3 "2002-02-13T04:34:43Z")
I hope this thread is a joke right? You are just now realizing that Tai Chi is a martial art? It is the highest level of martial arts that ever came out of china. The health set or slow set as you call it is moving meditation simply for health the fighting set is performed at full speed but i cant believe that you dont know this and its probably just a joke so i will stop on that note. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:38am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/4 "2002-02-13T04:38:05Z")
Tough to preserve the aspects of slow T.C.C at full speeds Yes it is No one gets it right (what I’m saying is it’s very difficult) do your best. Practice Makes Perfect ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:47am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/5 "2002-02-13T04:47:30Z")
Tai Chi is most certainly used for self defence.(check your background) Speeding it up has been suggested before me.(I’M not the first one who came up with this idea) Something about YANG lu Chan from the Yang family talked about it I’ll get my book out and start reading But it still feels good doing it. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:58am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/6 "2002-02-13T04:58:29Z")
Red-fist that is soooooo cooooool someone finally got Kung Fu and Tai Chi down to a science. Please have them explain it to me. ---
**Author:** ![Budokan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Budokan](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Budokan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 4:59am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/7 "2002-02-13T04:59:47Z")
I’m just a karate guy and even I know TCC is used for self-defense. And self-defense should be performed at moderate to high-speeds to be effective. --At least most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/8 "2002-02-13T05:01:40Z")
Or are you the chosen one who Knows all please enlighten us with the one and true aspect of tai chi --Kung Fu ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:06am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/9 "2002-02-13T05:06:21Z")
Lets See Do I believe Red Fist or do I believe Yang Lu Chan I think I have to go with the absolute NOBODY and listen to Red Fist Yeah,thats it. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/10 "2002-02-13T05:19:32Z")
Spedding Tai Chi up has been suggested before me. Red-Fist(quote) “Yep,like by every decent t.c.c instructer and by all practioners of the art that train the martial aspect.” So you know it has been suggested before. So whats your point? are you mad that I suggested it first on K.F.O Or started looking into this? ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:24am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/11 "2002-02-13T05:24:59Z")
You are funny Red -Fist I would believe any martial arts historian before I believe some guy on the NET. ---
**Author:** ![Chinwoo-er](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/chinwoo-er/32/253_2.png) [@Chinwoo-er](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chinwoo-er)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/12 "2002-02-13T05:25:34Z")
Strange… When we trained Tai Chi, we train slow. But when when we sparr, we always spar fast. We never hurt each other of course, but I can’t really imagine sparring with Tai Chi which is slow… Then again, I never sparred against another art. I don’t major in Tai Chi. Just learn it for an accessory ---
**Author:** ![red\_fists](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/red_fists/32/251_2.png) [@red\_fists](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/red_fists)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:32am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/13 "2002-02-13T05:32:28Z")
Chinwoo-er. I know it. Many People get shocked when we do a fast Form, 2 Partner exercises or pull out the weapons. 😃 One Day I still want to learn some Chen Tai Chi. I like the speed changes in the Forms. ---
**Author:** ![logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@logic](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/logic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:33am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/14 "2002-02-13T05:33:44Z")
Let me start my post all over Here it goes I have been trying some ancient techniques past down by the all knowing SAGES I think it has to do with speeding up your Tai Chi but I’m not really sure. I have tried it but only f–ked up because my martial knowledge is not up to par with the rest of the TREKIES on K-F-O- The next Generation ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_McKinley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/65b543/32.png) [@Chris\_McKinley](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Chris_McKinley)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 5:45am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/15 "2002-02-13T05:45:48Z")
logic, I am glad you came to this realization…whether late, early, or right on time. Taijiquan practiced as a martial art can be every bit as blindingly fast as anything else that’s out there. Same with Baguazhang and Xing Yi Quan as well. In fact, the optimal biomechanics, looseness, and fine degree of motor control that slow practice yields give one the perfect formula for maximum speed. ---
**Author:** ![Shooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Shooter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shooter)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 6:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/16 "2002-02-13T06:03:27Z")
“Fast responses to fast actions, slow responses to slow actions. Although the changes are numerous, the principle remains the same” -Tai Chi classics ---
**Author:** ![bamboo\_leaf](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/bamboo_leaf/32/42_2.png) [@bamboo\_leaf](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/bamboo_leaf)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 6:21am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/17 "2002-02-13T06:21:47Z")
I think I would be a little careful about the interpretations of the classics. What you quoted to me means the idea of change. changing the solid and empty aspects of the body. The speed that every one talks about is not the speed of the body but the speed of the mind to compreand the changes needed. Working the set fast will tell you if your movements are really aligned with your vertical center. A more productive way of practice would be to see the movement in your mind first, and allow this to manifest it self-using the body. you mind leads the body. I think until you got ride of all the hard force in the body it would not be to productive to practice it fast. In a sense doing it slow is fast, compared to learning single postures and then linking them together not many people practice this way anymore. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shooter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Shooter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shooter)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 6:40am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/18 "2002-02-13T06:40:31Z")
Silk-reeling leaf, I agree. On one level, it’s a mental process, but on another, it’s the body’s job to do the work in response to what the opponent’s doing. What the passage suggests to me is that the mind doesn’t get ahead of the body, and vice-versa. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Wiley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sam\_Wiley](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Sam_Wiley)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 7:27am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/19 "2002-02-13T07:27:01Z")
> Originally posted by bamboo\_ leaf > [B]A more productive way of practice would be to see the movement in your mind first, and allow this to manifest it self-using the body. you mind leads the body.[/B] There is no need for the body to carry on with a movement once the mind has finished that movement. If you do Push, and your mind finishes the movement while your hands are only halfway out, then the movement is finished and the body should finish the movement there. If you keep moving your body after the mind has finished that movement, then your movements are empty. As a consequence of this, some movements become very small, almost imperceptible. This is also the reason the form flows more and more smoothly over time. As long as you are not doing a movement after your mind has finished it, you are fine. ---
**Author:** ![red\_fists](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/red_fists/32/251_2.png) [@red\_fists](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/red_fists)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2002, 7:33am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502/20 "2002-02-13T07:33:06Z")
Hi Sam. Can you confirm that what you just said is the same as what my sifu’s sez: I am pretty sure, but she still gets me with the Language barrier ocassionally. “Visualise the Pose you should be in and let your Body fill it.” So many Sifu talk about the same things but use different ways of saying so. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fast-tai-chi-for-self-defence-a-new-concept/9502.md?page=2)