# Fake XingYi. **URL:** \ **Category:** Taijiquan and the Internal Martial Arts\ **Created:** [August 23, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503 "2004-08-23T00:46:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Apostol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Apostol](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Apostol)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/21 "2004-08-25T04:31:37Z")
> Originally posted by Felipe Bido > Make it a week or more Yeah, the other movements are a lot harder than splitting, so they’ll be harder to learn. So, what’d you guys think of my video? Heh… ---
**Author:** ![cerebus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/258eb7/32.png) [@cerebus](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cerebus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 6:42am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/22 "2004-08-25T06:42:24Z")
Looks like you’re getting the movements down. Do you do much San Ti standing (in as low, but correct, a San Ti as possible) to develop root & solid body connection? That’s one of the better things you can do. Also, try practicing each fist step-by-step, without the following step, holding each position for 30 to 60 seconds. That will help to build your structure. Keep up the training! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hau\_Tien](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/hau_tien/32/292_2.png) [@Hau\_Tien](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hau_Tien)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 1:02pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/23 "2004-08-25T13:02:30Z")
> Originally posted by Apostol > [B]Hey guys, I found more clips! [http://www.whitecraneinstitute.com/artsofcombat/xingyi.htm](http://www.whitecraneinstitute.com/artsofcombat/xingyi.htm) I just googled for xingyi out of the blue, and I found this. I’ve never seen it before. Needless to say, it doesn’t look very good, at least the Pi Chuan I’ve seen so far. \*\*Ok, well some of the clips don’t look half bad. The drilling fist is similar to how we do it, but it still looks external. [/B] _snicker_ I kinda like “Bong Chuan”, myself 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hau\_Tien](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/hau_tien/32/292_2.png) [@Hau\_Tien](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hau_Tien)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 1:13pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/24 "2004-08-25T13:13:54Z")
> Originally posted by Apostol > So, what’d you guys think of my video? Heh… I’m by no means an expert, so I can’t comment on your technique. Have you worked on actually striking anything (heavy bag, punch shield held by partner, etc) with the movements? I think this would help you a lot in learning how to perform the movements in a manner that will generate greater power. Also, I noticed (most notably) in your crushing fist (but in the others as well) a lack of power in the movement caused mainly by the lack of movement in your waist/hips. I think if you loosened up that area it would help a lot. The hips and waist connect the upper and lower body and correct usage will help you bring the power from the movement of your feet up to your hands. (if that made any sense 😉 ) It takes a lot of courage to put a clip of yourself online for all to see. I applaud your bravery! Good job! ---
**Author:** ![Apostol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Apostol](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Apostol)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/25 "2004-08-25T16:40:38Z")
Yes, I’ve used the heavy bag and trees outside and various things. The thing that has helped the most is the standing stake training fajing drills we do in class. They help you get the correct structure. But yeah…my fists aren’t that good. I’ve seen a lot of Pi Chuan clips online and they never slide the foot back like we do. Why is this? Is that what they do in Shanxi? The application to that movement is grabbing someones arm and jerking them towards you using your hips. ---
**Author:** ![CD\_Lee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@CD\_Lee](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CD_Lee)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/26 "2004-08-25T16:51:57Z")
Apostol - For some reason, your avi file downloads, but I have no video? I tried it several times. I am using Microsoft Media Player to play it, but I am getting nothing. So, I don’t see any areas you need to improve at this point. hehe Any help here? ---
**Author:** ![Hau\_Tien](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/hau_tien/32/292_2.png) [@Hau\_Tien](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hau_Tien)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/27 "2004-08-25T17:50:57Z")
> Originally posted by Apostol > But yeah…my fists aren’t that good. I’ve seen a lot of Pi Chuan clips online and they never slide the foot back like we do. Why is this? Is that what they do in Shanxi? The application to that movement is grabbing someones arm and jerking them towards you using your hips. I think it has to do with the “branch” of xingyi that you learn. We also do the drawing back movement, as you describe, where I train. ---
**Author:** ![Hau\_Tien](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/hau_tien/32/292_2.png) [@Hau\_Tien](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hau_Tien)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/28 "2004-08-25T17:53:19Z")
> Originally posted by CD Lee > [B]Apostol - For some reason, your avi file downloads, but I have no video? I tried it several times. I am using Microsoft Media Player to play it, but I am getting nothing. So, I don’t see any areas you need to improve at this point. hehe Any help here? [/B] It’s a codec problem. You need the DivX 5.0 codec installed to see it. Go to [www.divx.com](http://www.divx.com) to download the free codec. You should see the video then, too. ---
**Author:** ![Felipe\_Bido](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/felipe_bido/32/122_2.png) [@Felipe\_Bido](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Felipe_Bido)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/29 "2004-08-25T21:29:05Z")
Also, the wave you do with your Zuan before the Zuan Punch, is something I haven’t seen around too much. But all the times I’ve seen it, it looks like a Heng Quan with palm fist down, to hit the temple, before doing the Zuan. FWIW ---
**Author:** ![Hau\_Tien](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/hau_tien/32/292_2.png) [@Hau\_Tien](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Hau_Tien)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/30 "2004-08-26T00:13:42Z")
> Originally posted by Felipe Bido > [B]Also, the wave you do with your Zuan before the Zuan Punch, is something I haven’t seen around too much. But all the times I’ve seen it, it looks like a Heng Quan with palm fist down, to hit the temple, before doing the Zuan. FWIW [/B] I hadn’t seen that before, either… but then, I’ve not seen much of xingyi outside of what I’ve been taught in person. ---
**Author:** ![Apostol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Apostol](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Apostol)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/31 "2004-08-26T00:26:00Z")
Yeah, that’s how we do that in drilling fist. The application is hooking someones arm and opening their guard. ---
**Author:** ![CD\_Lee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@CD\_Lee](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CD_Lee)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/32 "2004-08-27T17:44:37Z")
Hau Tien - Thanks! That fixed it no problem. Apostol - Brave soul you are. Hey a few thoughts here. First, thanks for showing us your fists. A little feedback on your footwork. You may do this intentionally, but be ‘aware’ that your feet after the recovery step finish in an exact straight line, even almost crossing. Your back foot recovers behind or even slightly inside your front foot. This leaves you very unstable with any side pressure. You may want to integrate a little more space in your stance between the legs. On wood more than the others, I don’t really see a lot of turning of the waist to move your arms into the strike. You do better on this with Pi, but just be aware of your body when doing wood. On the whip and Pao, it seems that your elbows are are maybe a little far outside or rather, lifted up. It think you could sink them down some. ---
**Author:** ![Apostol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Apostol](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Apostol)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/33 "2004-08-27T22:04:49Z")
Yeah my Beng has improved since the video, I’ll do a new video soon. ---
**Author:** ![DoGcHoW108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DoGcHoW108](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/DoGcHoW108)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2004, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/34 "2004-08-31T04:54:31Z")
If anything, i think you might be going a bit too fast (unless you’re just doing it for demo’s sake). I’ve been doing XY for months but i’m still doing most of the stuff slowly just to pay attention to detail. ---
**Author:** ![looking\_up](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@looking\_up](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/looking_up)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/35 "2004-09-01T18:26:23Z")
First of all, big ups for putting your video up. Don’t take what I have to say next as a diss, but please don’t talk \*\*\*\* about Serge Augier, it makes you look like you have no idea what you’re talking about. And after seeing your clip… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Willow\_Sword](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/the_willow_sword/32/108_2.png) [@The\_Willow\_Sword](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/The_Willow_Sword)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/36 "2004-09-14T17:52:27Z")
the first vid that was shown he was too rigid and not flowing enough,he over extended himself,was going through just the motions with out any real intent in the moves. i certainly would not go to his kwoon for instruction. hehe he also, if you noticed any,that he had to think a moment before he could quickly explain “beng chuan” hahaha. shows how much he really knows dont you think? ---
**Author:** ![DoGcHoW108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DoGcHoW108](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/DoGcHoW108)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/37 "2004-09-15T01:54:11Z")
Not necessarily…i think its actually a very complicated form- and that’s just one aspect of it. ---
**Author:** ![Buddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Buddy](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Buddy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2004, 8:10pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/38 "2004-09-15T20:10:08Z")
He He BB ---
**Author:** ![Wai\_ki\_Shu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ee7513/32.png) [@Wai\_ki\_Shu](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Wai_ki_Shu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/39 "2004-09-16T20:41:09Z")
this guy critiques others??? sad, very sad. ---
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503/40 "2019-06-12T15:34:28Z")
MMA Challenges to Kung Fu In the wake of Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu, more similar challenges are happening and Kung Fu is not doing well. I’ve culled a few above from that Xu thread for a new thread: [MMA Challenges to Kung Fu](http://http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu) and posted this to [Fake XingYi](http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?32056-Fake-XingYi) > [Kung fu master gouges Chinese kick-boxers eye in cheap shot after embarrassing beat down](https://www.scmp.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/article/3013548/kung-fu-master-gouges-chinese-kick-boxers-eye-cheap-shot) > Glory Kick-boxing fighter Zhang Wensheng goes to shake Wu Liangs hand after knocking him down three times in a matter of seconds > But social media users call Xingyi practitioner a disgrace and a coward for his sucker punch after the fight had ended > Nicolas Atkin > Published: 2:00pm, 7 Jun, 2019 ![](https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/4be19af4-88e3-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_image_hires_141904.jpg?itok=Ueb__7ZB&v=1559888350) The kung fu master gouges Zhang Wenshengs eye when they go to shake hands. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns Weve seen some of the traditional martial artists making excuses for their embarrassing defeats by Chinese MMA fighters. But a kung fu master has taken being a sore loser to new heights. Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang challenged MMA fighter Zhang Wensheng (46-6, 10 knockouts), who fights for Glory Kick-boxing to a match-up at a gym in Shenzhen last month, footage of which has gone viral on Chinese social media. As you might have expected, Zhang knocked Wu down within seconds of the fight starting, landing a few punches before dropping him with a head kick. Wu came back for more and got dropped again with a right hand, then an uppercut sent him flying off his feet a third time. Wu sportingly went to shake Zhangs hand, but in a move like something out of WWE, he sucker punches his opponent with an eye poke. [//youtu.be/riwPiowBlH0](https://youtu.be/riwPiowBlH0) Another fighter, who acted as the referee for the fight, goes to push Wu out of the way more for his own protection, as Zhang was pretty angry, as you might expect. In the end, Zhang decided not to bother further embarrassing Wu, and walked away. ![](https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/814679f6-88e5-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_1320x770_141904.jpg) Zhang Wensheng drops Wu Liang with an uppercut. Zhang later posted pictures on social media showing the effects of the cowardly move, with his left eyelid swollen and a cut on the bridge of his nose. And fans on social media were left outraged by Wus actions. Apparently Chi is just short for cheap shot, commented one user on YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns, which posted the video. ![](https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/6bc41cf0-88e5-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_972x_141904.jpg) Wu Liang poses in his traditional martial arts clothing. What a disgrace, wrote another user. He cant land a single punch during the fight because he doesnt know how. So he sucker-punches the guy during the handshake. What a low-life coward. These traditional martial arts guys have zero honour or logic (especially now they are being exposed), another user said. Eye poke after the fight is over? Ive always been disgusted with the arrogance of TMA, even when I was practising it. Anyone who calls themselves a master is just stroking their ego. [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/fake-xingyi/28503.md?page=3)