Dear Mr Meshew
Dale Frank (knifefighter) is aleady our designated BJJ Black Belt troll. If we need another one we’ll let you know. Until then pipe down.
that is all…
I must be a minority
I agree with Meshew on some level.
I’ve been a VT man for seven years, i train in my Sifus house with only 14 people.
Ive visited other schools in my country but only recently discovered the “fourum” buzz on the net, discovering other VT peoples thoughts experiences etc.
What ive found is alot of bickering and in fighting that meshew talks about, for me he sounded like he spoke his mind and i accept his opinion.
The fact people got on the defensive towards him is extremly funny to me because it only proves in some small way how ‘on the money’ he was.
These disagreements / bickerings all began yaers ago and have now been exagerated by the explosion of VT worldwide.
My sifu told me about a disagreement he witnessed between Lok Yiu and WSL and the only way they came to a head was to ask the old man.. GM IP.
These things happened often. are we a product of history repeated ?
Our problem today is we have no Head Figure to have the final Say.
This saddens me, but i still feel very privilidged to learn an art that not so long ago was out of non chinesse reach.
Meshew - dont judge the many by your opinion of the few… even though the balance is shifting
RIP GM IP.
Seems to me starting an argument with everyone on the forum doesn’t reduce the bickering. Wonder why? I am saddened. We’re all saddened. But that’s about as constructive as a hole in the head.
Want to do something constructive for WC then do something other than bicker.
Genuine BJJ BB’s will have no problem giving their full name, who they earned their BB from (we know exactly who Royler has promoted to BB), etc. These things are very easy to check.
There is a lot of “bickering” in WCK because there is always bickering among theoreticians (nonfighters) – in theory, folks have all kinds of “ideas” about things and all things are equal and all kinds of positions can be argued: my theory is better than your theory, my art/lineage is superior to your art/lineage, my teacher is a better fighter in theory than your teacher, my application in theory is better than your application, etc. Since 97% of WCK (and TCMAs in general) people are theoretician/nonfighters, bickering is to be expected. But what you can’t argue with or bicker with is results, i.e., performance. The Dog Brothers have a great motto: “if you see it taught, you see it fought.” This is true of any genuine martial art. It’s true of boxing, BJJ, MT, etc. If it’s not true of what you do, then you’re not practicing a martial art. If you “see it fought”, then there will be no bickering.
Of course he’s right… doesn’t mean he has the right to come on here and talk smack like he’s a twelve yr-old who’s been dropped on his head too many times in the shoot without everybody demanding he say who he is and give his mom’s address and the lineage of his entire family and their bank account numebrs for twenty generations… I mean, get real…! :rolleyes:
But yeah, coming on for the sole purpose of starting an argument about people arguing and going on about striking nerves does make him sound like a troll of 16 years old and 6 mths BJJ under his ‘belt’… To which I’ve gotta say, why the hell does anyone here care?! 
It seems that everyone at some time or another has made a point or two on this forum, like the nice quote by t_niehoff/dog brothers. But since this is a forum then what is written here is going to be 97% theory because these are only words and opinions, not actions.
But the truth of the matter is that everyone wants to be right and no one wants to be wrong. So whatever that person believes to be right is what he will write as fact on this forum (most of the time)which is in fact WRONG to do.
Then you have the people on here that will read what you write and try to pick apart every single word to try to prove you wrong to make themselves look better or more knowledgeable. Its just the way people are and there is not much you can do but except what seems logical to you and discard the rest. No need to get all bent outa shape over this forum.
Just some thoughts…
Airdrawndagger
You keep wanting to know everything about me who I trained with my sign, my shoe size, hair color, unit size, if I am single, I am straight. Try mens only forum
Actually, all he asked for was your full name + who you trained with. This is a pretty typical thing to ask when someone claims the all too famous Internet Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt.
A BJJ black belt is something that’s extremely hard to obtain and something that deserves a great deal of respect. Nobody wants to listen to a fake Internet Warrior who made up a black belt so he can talk big on a message board. That’s all.
There is no “bull****” in BJJ.
Too many of us have been let down by the segment of the martial arts community that lives in the “ego” fantasy world. Every BJJ instructor I have ever met, or even heard of, will get on the mat with you. Every black belt I have met has been an exceptional martial artist.
No calling themselves “master”, “grandmaster”, “soke”, or whatever. It’s usually first name basis.
No fake discipline and respect. Spend ten minutes in a BJJ class and you will see more respect for each other and the instructor than you will see in ten years in some “dojos.” Its EARNED respect. No forced bowing and ritual stuff that gives the “appearance” of discipline and respect.
No teaching but never actually “doing.” No teachers that never break a sweat in class.
The things that are so common now in martial arts. BJJ doesn’t have the phoney, chop-sockey, fakes. Everything they teach, they can do (and do well!). It’s also a fairly new art and every belt rank can be verified. Instead of the endless climb for the next 20 belt colors, I have seen BJJ guys NOT want to be promoted. The worst thing you can have in BJJ is called a “belt that doesn’t fit.” No one wants to be the next higher rank unless they can actually defend that rank.
You cannot fake BJJ, because eventually someone will call you on it. You have to put up or shut up.
Some of us are fed up with the Paper Tigers in martial arts.
BJJ just seems more honest
No doubt.
Then you should be able to understand why people want to actually verify that you are what you say you are. Taking somebody’s word for it just doesn’t quite do it in the Internet age. Far too many people make up stories + hide behind their keyboard.
Just like the ‘no BS’ rule in BJJ, the people here are just trying to destroy the ‘Internet Paper Tiger’.
Yeah there is. Maybe a different kind, but I’ve met some BS in BJJ, JJJ, submission wrestling, shooto, all of it. Don’t kid yourself.
Every black belt I have met has been an exceptional martial artist.
So that would include you then. Are you an exceptional martial artist?
No fake discipline and respect. Spend ten minutes in a BJJ class and you will see more respect for each other and the instructor than you will see in ten years in some “dojos.” Its EARNED respect. No forced bowing and ritual stuff that gives the “appearance” of discipline and respect.
JJJ, kyokushin, seidokan, muay thai, all these things have bowing… it’s only forced if you’re a numbnuts who goes to a numbnuts school. So what’s wrong with these things if it’s meant?
It’s also a fairly new art and every belt rank can be verified.
Yep, we know. That’s why at least two people have asked you for your full name, including one person who has a friend at your dojo, and one person who also trains in MI, who you have chosen to insult and whose teacher you have chosen to insult in a thread you started to complain about people insulting other people in WC.
…I have seen BJJ guys NOT want to be promoted. The worst thing you can have in BJJ is called a “belt that doesn’t fit.”
I’ve seen that in aikido, kendo, karate and wing chun… stick around pal.
Some of us are fed up with the Paper Tigers in martial arts.
:rolleyes:
We’re already on our 3rd page of this thread, MESHEW, and you’ve been asked repeatedly what your full name is and who gave you your black belt.
AND STILL NO ANSWERS???!!!
I’m coming to the conclusion that you ARE trolling.
Later for this thread.
Belt Ranks of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
I could tell you that I am one of these belts or frm THT jujitsu or many others I can see now that it would make no difference you would then say he could have just picked a name and on and on we would go I was just stating some facts that hurt some of you. The problem is you are not looking at yourself pointing the finger at others to make your system look better this is what I meant by sad. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE NOT THE MESSENGER IF YOU ARE PUTTING UP A DEFENSE YOU ARE NOT HEARING THE MESSAGE THAT KEEPS YOU CLOSED MINDED
The information presented here is correct to the best of our knowledge, but please note that this is not an official list, and belt ranks change frequently. In particular, the list of colored belts is not exhaustive. Also see the alphabetical listing.
This page lists 3750 people, including 1300 black belts, 355 brown belts, 531 purple belts, and 947 blue belts.
Format: Surname, Firstname “Nickname” (Instructor, Date) Note
Black Belt
Adiv, David (Royler)
Adrenalina, Hércules
Agostinho, Andrei (C. De Souza, 2002)
Aieta, Vinicius (Carlos Jr.)
Akins, Henry (Rickson, 2/2004)
Al Jamal, Samy
Alberto, Pedro (Spider)
Albuquerque, Alexandre (Draculíno)
Albuquerque, Francisco “Toco” (Carlson Sr.)
Alejandro, Carlos (Ralph)
Alirezaei, Yousef (A. Mohler, 12/2003)
Almeida, André Luiz Gomes de “Dedeco” (M. Bustamante, 1997)
Almeida, Cristiano (Dedeco)
Almeida, Milton Regis de (F. Mansor)
Alvarez, Sean (Renzo, 1999)
Alves, Antonio Thadeu Esteves (F. Mansor)
Alves, Fredson (S. Ribeiro)
Amaral, João (C. De Souza)
Amorim, Luis (F. Behring)
Anderson, Lowell (F. Santos)
Andrade, Andre Luiz Moreira de (F. Mansor)
Andrade, Igor (J. Moreira, 1/2000)
Andrade, Marcelo “Tetel” (Bolão)
Angelis, Muzio de (Jacaré)
ˆngelo, Breno (C. De Souza, 2002)
Anthony Marco “Chuck” (Bolão)
Anthony, Reed
Anthony, Thomson
Aranha, Marco (Soneca)
Arona, Ricardo (M. Bustamante)
Assunçao, Andre “Andre-zinho” (B. Ferrão, 2003)
Atalla, Roberto “Risada” (Bolão, 1998)
Augusto, Carlos (J. Roque)
Augusto, Luiz (Charles, 1/2000)
Aurélio, Marcos (A. Pederneiras)
Azulay, Nicin (Rolls)
Bagby, Dartanian (W. Braga Costa)
Bandeira, Joao (Bolão)
Baquerizo, Marc “Doc” (J. Moreira, 1997)
Barão, Luis (Jorge)
Barão, Roberto (L. Barão)
Barbieri, Patrick (R. Maia)
Barbosa, Marcelo “Presunto” (Dedeco)
Barbosa, Marco (R. Godói)
Barbosa, Rafael “Formiga” (Dedeco)
Barreto, Alessandro (Bolão)
Barreto, Carlos “Carlão” (Bolão)
Barreto, Marcos (Royler)
Barreto, Renato (Royler)
Barros, Ricardo (Ralph)
Barros, Romolo (Rickson, 1994)
Barroso, Paulo
Bass, Bob (R. Machado)
Bass, Joe (R. Machado)
Bassoli, Luciana
Batalha, Rodrigo (Dedeco)
Batista, Delfino
Batista, Jackson (J. Roque)
Bauer, Ronald (O. Fadda)
Bebeo, Roberto (Carlson Sr.)
Been, Peter de (Carlos Jr., 2/1999)
Behring, Salutar
Belfort, Vitor (Carlson Sr.)
Benaion, Sidney “Tita” (Royler)
Beneville, Ed (J. Moreira, 12/2003)
Bennis, John (J. Moreira, 12/2003)
Benvenutte, Vitório (R. Lage)
Bichara, Carlos (A. Paiva)
Bicudinho, Rodrigo (Soneca)
Bitetti, Amaury (Carlson Sr.)
Bittan, Patrick (F. Behring)
Bittencourt, Edmar (J. Roque)
Bittencourt, Ricardo (Renzo, 11/2004)
Bittencourt, Romulo (Renzo)
Bittencourt, William (M. Grosso)
Bloom, Randy (J. Moreira)
Bobadilha, José Eugenio (O. De Almeida)
Bocek, Mark (J. Roque, 12/2003)
Bodas, Paulo
Bolacha, Marcos Sergio (Draculíno)
Bolão, Sandro (Ryan)
Bond, Kenny (R. Magno, 9/20/2003)
Borgo, Leandro (F. Gurgel)
Bormac, Moises J. “Russo” (M. Saporito)
Botelho, Ricaldo
Botelho, Tadeu (A. Silva)
Brafman, Guilherme (Bolão)
Braga, Franjinha
Braga, Silvio “Araponga” (Soneca)
Branco, Leo Castello (Jacaré)
Brandão, Alexandre (The Zen Machine)
Brandão, Fábio (Bolão)
Brandão, Paulo
Brandão, Pedro (Carlos Jr., 6/2003)
Brandão, Ricardo (Bolão)
Bravo, Eddie “Twister” (J. Machado, 5/2003)
Brennan, Chris (R. Machado)
Brigadeiro, Eduardo (R. De La Riva Goded)
Britto, Alex (Bolão)
Brooking, Roger Patrick (Jacaré)
Brothers, Kathy (C. Machado, 8/11/2004)
Brown, James E. (C. Machado, 8/11/2004)
Bueno, Francisco
Bunn, Haroldo Victoriano “Cabelinho” (A. Paiva, 5/1999)
Burke, Jon (Royce, 9/2004)
Burrill, Tim (C. Machado, 2002)
Bustamante, Murilo (Carlson Sr.)
Cacella, Marcus “Kiko” (R. Medeiros)
, Sean (Royce)
Bond, Ulysses (A. Mohler)
Book, Jeff (Royce)
Borges, Marcos (Hiray)
Borges, Wesley (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
Boring, Josh (Sucuri)
Boris, Greg “Psyco” (Maguilla, 5/1999)
Borzell, Bryan (Renzo, 11/10/1998)
Botelho, Clifton (R. Barros)
Botelho, Irv (Royce)
Boyd, Sarah (A. Crane)
Bozin, Kirk (Charles)
Bradford, Steven (Jacaré)
Braga, Felipe (F. Gurgel)
Branco, Bruno
Branco, Pedrinho
Branco, Rodriqão
Brandão, Rodrigo
Brasure, Brent “Animal” (Ralph, 2/4/2003)
Breger, Ben (Charles)
Brissette, Pablo (A. Crane)
Broa, Marcos
Brooks, Kathryn H. (R. Murgel, 8/27/2004)
Brown, Mike (R. Machado)
Brown, Sundara (Caique)
Bubenzer, Luke (Carlson Jr., 10/2003)
Buda, João (N. Liboni, 5/1999)
Bueno, Reginaldo (Sarruço)
Bulong, Leo (R. Morales)
Burch, Dan (Caique, 9/1999)
Burgess, Steve (M. De Soares, 3/1999)
Burnett, Hans (D. Bagby, 3/17/2003)
Burnham, Darian (C. França Pires)
Burns, Jarred (Royce)
Burrow, Brian (M. Simas, 1/2000)
Burt, Craig (C. Machado)
Bush, Paul (M. Yamasaki)
Bustillo, Richard
Butler, Kevin (Crosley)
Byrd, Chris (Royce, 5/1999)
Caballero, Victor (J. De La O)
Calderon, Eduardo (G. Moreira Froes)
Calls, Bruno (R. Godói)
Camacho, Israel (R. Harris)
Cameron, Gary (Royce)
Campos, Andre
Capuan, Fabiano
Carabello, Nate (Relson)
Carbajal, Angel (Jacaré)
Careca, Eduardo (R. Godói)
Caroni, Hugo (Crolin)
Carrion, Maximiliano (M. Bustamante)
Carvalho, Mauro (Hiray)
Carvalho, Wagner (Relson)
Casey, Trevor (Bolão, 6/7/2003)
Castanheiras, Maurício (A. Pederneiras)
Castro, Daniel (R. Godói)
Castro, Mariano (R. Medeiros, 12/2002)
Caue, Pedro (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
Cavalo, Cristovão
César, Anísio (Paulo)
Chacura, Fernando (O. Alves)
Chambers, Earle (M. Santos, 11/21/2004)
Chang, Jerry (R. Medeiros, 7/2002)
Chappelow, James (Jacaré)
Charleston, Mills (Royce)
Chase, Sean (Relson, 2000)
Chestang, Chris (Jacaré)
Chhay, Kevin (M. Moses, 2002)
Chirino, Frank (A. Góes)
Chofard, Pierre (Jacaré)
Choi, John (Maguilla, 5/1999)
Chong, Yong J. (Charles)
Chris “Randori” (Sucuri, 12/2002)
Cidin, Italo (G. Santos)
Cimino, Suzanne (Charles)
Clarke, Robert (Royce)
Clarkson, Trevor
Clay, Bryan (Rickson)
Cleary, Wayne (Charles)
Click, Doug (Royler)
Clodfelter, Chris (Sucuri, 1/12/2003)
Cochran, Kent (R. Machado)
Codman, Ken (Charles)
Coelho, Jorge
Coelho, Marcelo (R. Ferro)
Coffee, Kevin (J. Popovitch, 2000)
Cofressi, Rob (Jacaré)
Cohn, Stefan (C. Valente)
Colanule, Tommy
Cole, Dunn (R. Machado)
Cole, Jon (Sucuri)
Collins, Grant (A. Crane)
Combs, Noah
Concon, Luis (Integração)
Conley, Sean (Rickson, 2/8/2003)
Constance, Rob (M. Simas, 1/2000)
Coombs, William T. “Tom” (Royce, 11/7/2002)
Cordeiro, Kahana (J. Morais)
Cornelius, Jeoff (Charles)
Coronado, Marco (Charles)
Corrêa, Bruno Leonardo (Carlos Jr.)
Corrêa, Charles (J. Medeiros)
Corrêa, Danilo (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
Corrigan, Nick Brownell (P. Brandão)
Corrigan, Shannon (Rickson, 1996)
Cosan, Roy (C. Valente)
Cowles, Benjamin (Charles, 5/1999)
Craig, Chris (T. Lutter)
Crawford, Brad (Carlson Jr.)
Cristina, Marisa (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
Criveland, Jimmy (Maguilla, 5/1999)
Crivelari, Antonio (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
Cumming, Justin (P. Migliarese, 7/7/2004)
Cunniffe, Mitch (Crosley, 6/4/2004)
Cunningham, Cris (R. Medeiros, 12/2002)
Cunningham, Derrick (A. Crane)
Curson, Ben “Dude” (Ralph, 12/18/2004)
Cutrera, Joe (M. Simas, 1/2000)
D’Agostinho, Edson (N. Liboni, 5/26/1999)
D’gostinho, Marcio (N. Liboni, 1/2000)
Daly III, Don (Caique)
Damasceno, Pedro (W. Ribeiro)
Damico, Lisa (L. Tyler)
Daniel, Cláudio
Daniel, Renato (N. Liboni, 1/2000)
Darrow, Brian (J. Moreira)
Davidson, Todd (P. Alberto)
Davis, Susan (Charles, 1/2000)
Day, Russel (Jacaré)
Dean, Dale (Royce)
Deaton, David (R. Medeiros, 12/2002)
Defigio, Dan (Jacaré, 1/2000)
Dejohn, Marc (A. Crane)
Dela Torre, Alex (Charles)
Delano, Cameron (Charles)
Moutran, Alexandre (N. Liboni, 1/2000)
Mullis, Frank (Renzo, 1/2000)
Muniz, Jair (R. Barros)
Murphy, Brandon (K. Florian, 4/2005)
Murphy, Ryan (Ralph)
Mynatt, Brian (Sucuri, 12/2002)
Nacfur, Alex (A. Wriedt)
Nacino, Jose (F. Nascimento)
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What exactly was the point of that? 
I can copy and paste names from BJJ.org, too.
A simple ‘no, I’m not going to give you my name’ is probably sufficient.
Didn’t stop you that time did it?
I am finding the opposite with wing chun it’s almost like they are scared to lose because it will damage wing chuns rep
Based on what?
Your vast experience?
I had someone tell me well my Grandmaster back in 1950 fought a boat full of sailors with knifes 12 men with knifes give me a break!
Yeah? Well I heard Royce can crack walnuts with his Butt Cheeks, and that makes me cry.
I don’t mean to come off harsh
or rude but this is sad.
Don’t mean to be harsh, or rude, but that’s a Trolltastic 2 out of 10.
Please try harder.
What’s your name again?
You know, I’m sure Da Gracies wouldn’t think to highly of their BB’s trolling MA forums.
Well, I see nature abhors a vacuum. I leave for a couple of weeks and somebody takes my job.
Now I know you have a sense of humour, Knivefighter
He didn’t take your job…he’s just a parrot without the experience. You on the other hand have fought.
I’d rather take criticism from you then this parrot.
. Stop the role-playing and associated nonsense in WCK. WCK is a fighting method, an approach to fighting and a means to train that approach. If someone wants philosphy, religion, social interaction, mysticism, the “kung fu life”, to be someone’s “disciple”, to be part of a “family”, etc. then by all means do that – just don’t bring it to WCK. None of that will help anyone be a better WCK fighter; it only detracts one from being a better fighter. And it just makes the WCK community look silly
Could not have said that any better Terrence
NO ONE is disputing anything you’ve said as far as the BS going on within the microcosm of the wing chun community.
The problem lies in you expecting us as a whole to give you the “respect” simply because you’ve stated something that’s been stated a million times over again on this thread by many individuals here.
The problem lies in that you cannot answer a simple question given to you. Instead you tap dance around like you’re more of dancer then a fighter.
It’s very simple. We don’t hide here. A name, and a teacher. Not people you’ve “trained with”, but the direct individual that gave you your rank.
For example:
-BB in TKD from Tang chin Wynn, TX
-Red sash in Southern Shaolin Diamond fists (Jingang quan) under Robert Melius,
TX
-Black Sash in Silent Dragon Shaolin (wu xing quan) under Master Lawrence Day,
FL
-MT under Phet Phongsavane and Sumnuk Gatsuang for a total of 5 years
instruction, and ten years including maintenance, TX
-WC from Chris Clark out of HI for 3 years, WT from Nico Lasalle for 3mts total
total practicing of wing chun abt 5 yrs, miscellaneous training with other
individuals from various lineage and locals, TX
There’s some examples from my own background. This is only the major stuff. I’ve trained in other styles, and trained with other people across the globe…
Now it’s your turn. Put up or shut up.