Maybe look into tumeric for anti inflammatory.
[QUOTE=kwaichang;1204316]Whats your problem man I simply told him whats worked for this other man[/QUOTE]
yes, but then you stated: “Try it can’t hurt you.” I asked you how u could possibly make that claim with any validity; which, of course, you can’t
it’s not about me broadening my horizons, it’s about you improving your reading comprehension, which SUCKS - EVERY time I respond to you about something, you get it WRONG, because you just DON’T READ WHAT I WRITE; this is why I have basically no respect for you, your discipline in argument is sloppy as hell, you misconstrue what I (and others) say all the time, and you lack any semblance of critical analysis when you respond; I understand that English isn’t your primary language (at least, my Lord, I HOPE it isn’t), which is fine, but then I would suggest you work a little harder to get what someone writes before you draw incorrect conclusions;
and if you were actually paying attention, you’d notice that I don’t critique the supplements themselves: for all we know, they may work; what i took issue with was how you recommended them with your “it’s all good” attitude; I suggested he enlist the services of a professional trained in supplementation as opposed to just trying out something because someone online said it was a good idea; let me ask you, which approach seems more REASONABLE?
so “jeez” right back atcha
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204281]
One more question for you:
I got a massage a few days ago and ever since I’ve been having tingling in my left hand throughout the day. It’s mostly in my pinky and ring finger (ulnar nerve) but also occasionally in the others/thumb.
About a year ago I had some symptoms of ulnar nerve entrapment that would randomly come and go, but for the most part they went away after a few weeks of doing nerve glide exercises throughout the day and taking vitamin B. I hadn’t really thought about it much since then until it started back up the other day.
Did the masseuse do something wrong or is this somehow related to my elbow? I read that arthritis in the elbow can increase your chances of having nerve issues.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea; it’s entirely possible that the LMT irritated something ( logically if the LMT did something u would have felt it when he did it;), it’s just as possible that being face down on the table irritated something in the neck / shoulder / arm (esp if you got up from the table and felt the symptoms immediately); it’s equally possible that it has nothing to do with it, that maybe afterwards when u had more extensibility of ur tissues due to the work, and u did something urself that caused the irritation;
who knows? impossible to say without (again) examining u;
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204281]That sounds kind of along the lines of what I was thinking, ie. it’s somehow related to my shoulder issue/rehab.[/QUOTE]
in my personal experience this is not uncommon - again, wud hav to look at u to be able to say anything definitive;
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204281]Animals don’t get a placebo effect.[/QUOTE]
I’ve wondered about that for some time; don’t they? animals are very sensitive to owner’s mood - if the owner gives the pet a medicine that makes the owner feel better about having done so, I wouldn’t discount the pet picking up on that and having a “placebo” effect occur as a result (owner happier = pet happier)…
if you are desperate for recovery i would suggest getting some hgh.
[QUOTE=Raipizo;1204368]http://www.hughston.com/hha/a_12_4_2.htm[/QUOTE]
Cartilage-producing cells can be cultured in a laboratory and placed into a hole in the cartilage. These cells then stimulate the growth of cartilage, filling the hole in some cases.
o rly?
Wait is that the stem cell thing?
[QUOTE=Raipizo;1204369]Maybe look into tumeric for anti inflammatory.[/QUOTE]
Turmeric upsets my stomach, too.
That’s what they get curcumin from. I think curcumin is the active thing in turmeric.
[QUOTE=kwaichang;1204316]Iron Fist Look up Cartilage Reconditioning and restoration by Corley and Kelsey in Austin Texas they are PT’s who have worked with a # of athletes in Austin and were able to help alot with this type of thing Jeez. KC[/QUOTE]
Do you have a link? When I Googled that all I got was this thread 
edit - think I found it.
Iron Fist
I may be a Nutritionist as well as PT for all you know, I wouldnt suggest something If I thought the guy was a Moron and didnt do his own research which he is. There are few if any allergic reactions to Minerals and none to Vitamin C That I have found research on . Vinegar maybe but very unlikely. I appologize but your critique of my English is rude and uncalled for. We have 2 different views of this problem and that in my opinion is a good thing. But to be overly critical is a fault in my opinion and slows learning. Any way Iron Fist look the number up of Corley and Kelsey and mention the name Doug Feick pronounced FIKE They may just tell you something over the phone that might help. KC
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204366]Yeah man, in post 12 I replied to you and asked if I should take it at the same time as the other stuff 
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lol, i know. i was mostly aiming to get TGY’s .02 on the Vit. C aspect of soft tissue repair.
as far as when, idk. since it leaves the body fairly quickly i’d try to have a source of it w/ every meal???
[QUOTE=kwaichang;1204402]I may be a Nutritionist as well as PT for all you know, I wouldnt suggest something If I thought the guy was a Moron and didnt do his own research which he is. There are few if any allergic reactions to Minerals and none to Vitamin C That I have found research on . Vinegar maybe but very unlikely. I appologize but your critique of my English is rude and uncalled for. We have 2 different views of this problem and that in my opinion is a good thing. But to be overly critical is a fault in my opinion and slows learning. [/quote]
Hope that wasn’t aimed at me (your post was titled “Iron Fist”).
Any way Iron Fist look the number up of Corley and Kelsey and mention the name Doug Feick pronounced FIKE They may just tell you something over the phone that might help. KC
Will do, thanks!
[QUOTE=kwaichang;1204402]
Iron Fist
I may be a Nutritionist as well as PT for all you know, I wouldnt suggest something If I thought the guy was a Moron and didnt do his own research which he is. There are few if any allergic reactions to Minerals and none to Vitamin C That I have found research on . Vinegar maybe but very unlikely. I appologize but your critique of my English is rude and uncalled for. We have 2 different views of this problem and that in my opinion is a good thing. But to be overly critical is a fault in my opinion and slows learning. Any way Iron Fist look the number up of Corley and Kelsey and mention the name Doug Feick pronounced FIKE They may just tell you something over the phone that might help. KC[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204441]Hope that wasn’t aimed at me (your post was titled “Iron Fist”).[/QUOTE]
oh no, my critique regarding your capacity for accurate written communication isn’t at all salient…:rolleyes:
Good luck with the supplements.
Personally I have tried them all in various forms and dosages over the last few years because of my shoulder and knees issues and none have made any noticeable difference.
I hope you can get some benefit from them.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1204532]oh no, my critique regarding your capacity for accurate written communication isn’t at all salient…:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Wait, I asked a question about something kwaichang wrote and you replied using “I”?
Either joke is on me or I’m super confused 
[QUOTE=IronFist;1204556]Wait, I asked a question about something kwaichang wrote and you replied using “I”?
Either joke is on me or I’m super confused [/QUOTE]
Taai was being sarcastic VS Lee since Lee attributed to YOU his post that was suppose to be towards Taai.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1204535]Good luck with the supplements.
Personally I have tried them all in various forms and dosages over the last few years because of my shoulder and knees issues and none have made any noticeable difference.
I hope you can get some benefit from them.[/QUOTE]
your personal experience would correlate with all extant valid and reliable research regarding the issue; as I said before, patients of mine who have taken glucosamine have noted almost immediate improvement in their joint symptoms, without realizing that there’s no way there could have been cartilage replacement in such a short time…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1204564]Taai was being sarcastic VS Lee since Lee attributed to YOU his post that was suppose to be towards Taai.[/QUOTE]
the correct by Ronin, qi blasted it is
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1204594]your personal experience would correlate with all extant valid and reliable research regarding the issue; as I said before, patients of mine who have taken glucosamine have noted almost immediate improvement in their joint symptoms, without realizing that there’s no way there could have been cartilage replacement in such a short time…
the correct by Ronin, qi blasted it is[/QUOTE]
I’ve read that glucosamine sulfate triggers an anti-inflammatory mechanism upon initial transport into the bursae.
GC and MSM
I have read it works but the blood supply to cartilage is poor so the mechanism of pain relief has to be another way in the short run, in the Long run Cartilage regeneration is possible with the use of low load long duration activities. , for knees the use of a Total Gym at low levels with closed chain activities has shown to promote cartilage regeneration and growth. This is a long duration in Rx. Glucosamine more than likely promotes the expulsion of Viscous fluids of the injured / inflamed joint. Replacing thim with nutrient rich fluids. From what I have read so this promotes decreased pain and cartilage rejuvination. KC
I found a collagen supplement that has supposedly been shown to regenerate cartilage, and supposedly they have before/after MRIs to show that it works
It’s called “Fortigel” and contains collagen hydrolyzate. I’m trying to figure out if that’s the same thing as Jello.
http://www.fortigel.com/en/fortigel/scientific-proof.html
http://flexeze.co.uk/flexeze-fortify_supporting-research.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/collagensupplements.html
I saw it in some products on UK websites, but the only thing I found in the US is made by Swanson and is called “Joint Health Drink Mix with Fortigel” and is $20 for 30 servings, 10g each, so that’s not a bad price if it actually works.
I had heard that cartilage cannot be regrown (without stem cells).