Eagle Reply II
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Thaks agian for the feedback and i apologies for not replying to your post sooner. Here it is and I hope you find it intereting!
“Practitioners train for speed and strength, I presume~The fingerstrength that you say has not anything to do with your question would be useful. If they can consistantly catch falling cement tiles,bricks, blocks, then perhaps they can catch a wrist of a punch.”
Yes, that would train for strength and speed but there are a couple of things that are different compared to catching the wrist.
Falling brick - you’re catching from the top (as it falls) that is in the same direction of the accleration due to gravity. Accordingly, if you acclerate the claw (down towards the brick) faster then gravity and along the same path as the brock you’ll catch it.
However, against a punch - if you were to catch the wrist, your claw would be working perpendicular to the line of force of the punch coming at you. If you reach for the wrist, but the wrist is not in the same plane as the punch, you’ll miss it.
So, it is not a matter of speed and strength, but a matter of perception. Punches need not be straight, cuerved, upper cuts etc… comes in all varieties. it is very hard to detect the planes from which they are coming from.
Personally, I have found that if you “stick” with your forearm etc… (eg. techniques from tai chi and other northern styles) you’ll be in a much better position to detect the direction of the punches - and you can much more easily work towards a claw.
Simply clawing the wrist as the ounch comes at you ( may work in some instances) but is rather ambitious to expect a high success rate. Even the Karate style blocking of a punch is not very good against a jab - let alone clawing.
“The photographs are not See how good… They are See how to…The ideal is practiced, so that the a
'semblance of the ideal can be applied. Knowing all of the techniques perhaps over laps Need. If a claw is all you get before completion of the intended technique they perhaps start another technique which is used to deal with that kind of attack until they subdued their opponent.”
Agreed, it is very difficult to communicate kung fu through photos. They show the end results not the path taken to achieve those results which is the most important.
“There is no place for stunning when your technique is superior to your opponent’s and you can subdue them quickly nomatter what melee attack they use.”
Your technique has to be VASTLY superior to subdue all forms of attacks. If someone is intent on hurting you, your best bet is to have a seek & destroy attitude. If during that confrontation you find that they were alot weaker than you had expected, you reserve the option to use less destructive techniques. But at the onset (fog of war) when you don’t know your enemy’s strenghts - holding back your technique puts you in a disadvantage.
“I No_Know, however it seems that the closer the sooner. So minimalizing the “distance away from” that you think might should be, would allow quicker dealing with the opponent.”
I was refering to getting further away from the opponnent’s fee arm, ie getting to the persons unprotected areas where you can cause the most damage at the lowest possible risk to yourself
“As was indicated, the purpose of this System is non lethal; intent to control and or or subdue. While on hand can inhibit or imobilize, perhaps two are used for a take-down or to merely subdue, or to throw.”
Yes, but it sould be non-lethal to the extent that it would not increase your exposure to danger if you were to use lethal techniques. Better to go into battle full force and have the option to show mercy if they surrender rather than to assume that your enemy is going to surrender.
Someone can quite easily get away if you were to grab hold of their wrist. No matter the strength of your forearm muscles, it is no match for someone’s body weight. They might even hit you in the process.
“The wrist is theoretically so controlled that it locks-out the elbow and the shoulder because of their hand wrist strength and use of their body to imobilize the whole arm from the wrist”
Yes, that is true but only in very specific angles . Best bet to control the elbow otherwise your face could quite easily be taken out at close range. Elbows are very dangerous - see Thai boxing. Best to remove them from your opponent’s aresenal rather then hoping that you got enough control from the wrist - risk is too great.
"If the Eagle Claw practitioner lokcks and keeps locked the arm at the wrist, then there is no need to cover the elbow. "
See above.
"Lily Lau and her successor, 9th generation head of the Eagle Claw System might could say. perhaps some-such Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not. "
Vey interested to hear Lily Lau’s views on this subject!
All the best.
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