Double Weightness??

Hi All.

Time to roll up those sleeves and get into the ring. Round 1 of the fight, other Rounds will be fought in other Threads.

What does double weigthness mean do you??

For me it doens’t mean that you have a 50/50 weight split on your legs, as this can never be avoided even for the smallest fraction of a second.

Even the Classics mention that the smallest Finger can be double weighted.

Let here your Ideas.

I’m already on your side. This was recently debated on the main board and there are still many who think that double weightedness means 50-50 distribution. It does not!! It simply means when all of your weight and/or intention is moving forward and can be used against you, with no balance or intention going back. 50-50 will never add up to 200 percent on my calculator.:wink: I don’t have time to elaborate now (on my way to class) but I look forward to seeing the replies when I get home:rolleyes:

Hi Count.

Let me see if I an remember this correctly.

I saw the concept once explained by using a Bicycle Wheel(no kidding).

A wheel lying on the ground touches it at 2 points (axle and rim).

The same wheel spinning only touches at 1 point axle.

Your movements must be like the spinning wheel, a smooth continous spin with no flaws/stops.

All your movements down to the smallest detail must happen in a circular fashion.

I.e. never stop your movements and always work them in a round smooth fashion.

Any breaks during in your form, stepping, intent, Breath, etc will make you doubelweighted.

Closely tied to opening and closing in my Book.

red_fist: That’s not what I thought it was, but that’s still pretty cool. I think different schools and people have a different definition of “double weighted”.

For example: double weightedness thread

Double weightedness is wuji, everything else is taiji.. You start and end in wuji, at all other points in the form you are experiencing taiji. This model reflects life itself, before death you are in wuji, during life you are in taiji, at death you return to wuji.

Double weightedness is when there is no differentiation between the yin and yang of the movement. At all other times in your form you can see the yin and yang, the up and down, forward backward, left right, push, roll back, press etc.

Mr. Nemo.

Not really that different from the Yin/yang balancing concept just another way of
explaining it.

Example.

Right hand moving up could be 1 wheel.
Left hand moving down could be 1 wheel.

Those wheels spin in opposite direction, but if the spins are balanced they neutralise each other.Doesn’t matter which is Yin or yang.

If one hand moves faster than the other it would be double weightness.

Now each Posture has many of those wheels moving at the same time (Legs, Hip, Arms, etc.)

Coordinate all and there will be no double weightness.

This is how I see it, but than I am still fairly new to the art myself.
And my understanding might be flawed.

Nexus.

I have one problem with your definition.

The I-Ching says that we should never classify or label anything as this results
in the “creation/labeling” of the opposite.

So if I call “A” Yin everything “non-A” would be Yang.

And it is my belief that everything should be balanced.

Back to the Wheel thingy.

If the Wheel had a dent or deformity it would not spin smoohtly and thus be imbalanced.(double weighted)

And imbalanced things require extra energy/force to spin smoohtly.

Even a small hardly visibly tend will affect that.

But again just the way I see things.

Direct from the Tai Chi Classics & Treaties.

Sinking to one side allows movement to flow;
being double-weighted is sluggish.

Stand like a perfectly balanced scale and
move like a turning wheel.

Sinking to one side allows movement to flow;
being double-weighted is sluggish.

Anyone who has spent years of practice and still cannot neutralize,
and is always controlled by his opponent,
has not apprehended the fault of double-weightedness.

To avoid this fault one must distinguish yin from yang.

Push hands is the kung fu of knowing others. As for movement and stillness, although it is to know others, you must still ask yourself. If you arrange yourself well, when others touch you, you don’t move a hair. Follow the opportunity and meet his chin and let him fall naturally outward. If you feel someplace in your body is powerless, it is double-weighted and unchanging. You must seek the defect in yin and yang, opening and closing. Know yourself and know others: in one hundred battles you will win one hundred times.

“The body is like a wheel. The waist is like the axle.”

“Lure the opponent’s advance into emptiness; harmonize with him, then issue power. Adhere, join, stick to and follow the opponent, without letting go or resisting,”

Just some I found quickly, while looking for a specific article.