[QUOTE=Humble Disciple;827798]The Tai Chi Chuan people will know exactly what I am talking about. There is a beautifully put together book by the title: “Yang Family Secret Transmissions” compiled and translated by Douglas Wile[/QUOTE]
oh yeah - the book that the Wang brothers just happened by chance to “find” (translation: write themselves) in a salt shop, that conveniently gave a name, mystical pedigree and overall literati heft to the hacked version of Chen family boxing that they were learning from an illiterate former servant…
I was unaware how the book surfaced, so thank you for pointing that out. However, I think it is worth noting that it is published by YMAA and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Yang Jwing Ming would endorse the work of a charlatan. Furthermore, he must have reviewed the manuscript or he has technical editors on hand to make sure the work is not only authentic but also accurate in its depiction of theory, knowledge, and advice. I own a large part of the YMAA catalogue and I yet to run across anything suspect. Especially since Dr. Yang Jwing Ming is such a proponent of Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. To write the book off in its entirety seems hasty.
[QUOTE=Humble Disciple;827936]I was unaware how the book surfaced, so thank you for pointing that out. However, I think it is worth noting that it is published by YMAA and I find it hard to believe that Dr. Yang Jwing Ming would endorse the work of a charlatan. Furthermore, he must have reviewed the manuscript or he has technical editors on hand to make sure the work is not only authentic but also accurate in its depiction of theory, knowledge, and advice. I own a large part of the YMAA catalogue and I yet to run across anything suspect. Especially since Dr. Yang Jwing Ming is such a proponent of Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. To write the book off in its entirety seems hasty.[/QUOTE]
you are monumentally ignorant
On another note I wanted to say that I am neither a shining example of morality or wu te. I would say the only thing I have to be proud about in regards to wu te, is the sincerety which I try to practice and preserve it.
Keep your free lessons. Or better yet shed them all together. They sound like so much baggage.
The whole humble disciple world, while it sounds very cheesy, is the basis of the Sifu student relationship, which you implied I did not have or understand earlier. Furthermore, it is the only way the arts will be preserved at the level at which they have been historically practiced.
It is true, respect is earned and best displayed through actions rather than words. It is with that in mind, I leave you to your opinions and hope you will agree to discontinue this confrontation. Hopefully this thread can get back to its original point.
Choy Lay Fut, Wing Chun, Hung Gar, BJJ, and Muay Tai are all great styles that contribute greatly to the martial arts.
**** We Just Ended One Flame War Now Another One Has BegUn. Poor Gene Ching Has To Manage All These Lil Children.
[QUOTE=doug maverick;827907]man this joint is whack, you better stay back before these forum guys crack your back cause their all on crack, thats a matter of fact. they like to bring about scores and scores of flame wars,started by fake fight guru’s and MMA *****s.they like to roll around they call it wrestling but its look like they getting down, and like to go downtown.
alright enough i’m running out of rhymes here.[/QUOTE]
Dude, this is a pretty good rhyme!
Humble Disciple~
I’ve seen talk of poems in the shaolin forum. Do a search for “lyrics” and you’ll dredge up the stuff for bak sil lum/ bei shaolin / north shaolin. Also, in my experience, in southern styles one of the methods is to call out the technique, do it then move on. Not so much poetry, but there is a flow to it as you get your own rythym structure happening with it. Of course, this may or may not be how it is with other. Some people can get mighty poetic while others tend to be more tactile in their methods of teaching/Learning. 
Why practice martial arts if you have no antagonists?
thanks david i try.
[QUOTE=Humble Disciple;827942]On another note I wanted to say that I am neither a shining example of morality or wu te. I would say the only thing I have to be proud about in regards to wu te, is the sincerety which I try to practice and preserve it.
Keep your free lessons. Or better yet shed them all together. They sound like so much baggage.
The whole humble disciple world, while it sounds very cheesy, is the basis of the Sifu student relationship, which you implied I did not have or understand earlier. Furthermore, it is the only way the arts will be preserved at the level at which they have been historically practiced.
It is true, respect is earned and best displayed through actions rather than words. It is with that in mind, I leave you to your opinions and hope you will agree to discontinue this confrontation. Hopefully this thread can get back to its original point.
Choy Lay Fut, Wing Chun, Hung Gar, BJJ, and Muay Tai are all great styles that contribute greatly to the martial arts.[/QUOTE]
Really?
This has not been my experience at all.
It seems to me that in an “authentic” kung fu school the sifu is always using teaching methodologies to humble students and there is an entire system of seperation betweent he student and the sifu. A wall if you will, a line that is never crossed. The sifu can joke with you but you had better never joke with or make fun of the sifu. But then they tell stories of how they gained their skill and experience through street fights and thuggishness. A bit contradictory if you ask me.
There are also two schools within the school. The open door school where students are given jsut so much information and training. then there is the closed door students who learn higher skill levels, poetry, lyrics or whatever you want to call them.
It sounds a bit to me as though you may not have a close relationship with your sifu or you are not a backroom, closed door student.
The really good sh*t is always reserved for one or two closed door disciples who have sworn secrecy in a bai si ceremony.
If you are not one of those two guys - forget about learning the deep sh*t!
Don’t expect for one second that someone with the lyrics or poetry to post it in a public forum. Not that you would understand it anyway. Those have many hidden and double meanings that you just would not comprehend.
That sh*t is not for the gwai lo!
Re:
Try seeking out the Hung Gar Twelve Characters, that should give you the gist of what you are looking for.
Secret gems for the “closed door” disciple
Lemme be the one who hits you with a bible
Get outta the fantasy game you wish to play
Find a sifu who is real and there to stay
Steal Sifu’s hands and practise what you feel
Then you’ll know who’s the real deal
“This pebble in my hand, if you wish to pluck”
smack him upside the head, wtf?
Show it to me so I can make it real
Without me paying a hefty sum
To be your closed door chum……