Yeah, I think you’re looking for the crane in the wrong places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4dfraMhTHA
I’ve seen a lot of those moves in the hung gar I’ve seen around.
Some of that stuff appears in most of the versions of gung gee you see on the net.
Yes, stance is different, but the bridge is what’s important.
Hi PorkChop,
Good vid. That crane seems different from most of the other stuff I have seen. Though my understanding is that White Crane has fragmented and there are several distinct variations. What was shown indeed looks like Hung Gar to some degree. But what strikes me is it doesn’t look like the Crane portion of Hung Gar, but rather Hung Gar in general. So my question is if the part we attribute with crane today may be a reinterpetation of the crane? Maybe the crane Fong WIng CHun introduced was different, perhaps closer to what you showed and the crane we have in Fu Hok is something else?
For a comparison, this is what I think of when I think of crane in hung gar, which is not like the white crane in the link. And why do most people talk about this type of crane?
Four types of Fukien crane right?
Ancestral Crane
Whooping Crane
Feeding Crane
Flying Crane
The crane beak came from Tibetan Lama
You do gotta admit the white crane has a different power than the tiger- much more umm snappy? lot less “blow through them”.
SouthernKF-the opening sections contain pretty much all the same moves you learned in Wing Chun and SPM. It is very crane. Separate the crane beak,open wing stuff from the short winged stuff and you will see what I am referring to.
When you open you press the palm down,chum. Then mei yun jiew gang-beauty looks in the mirror-tan-sao. Then huen, hook to the side, pak,and palm strike,etc-all crane movements.(Your version may have slight differences, but basically the same.
Hi TenTigers,
Just so I don’t give the wrong impression, I don’t do SPM, though I would love to. THat is one of the few styles I really enjoy what I see. I also like alot of the white crane as well as a few others.
Also, I have not learned Fu Hok though I am familar with it. So much of this may actually be lost on me, and I probably ought not even be commenting on it. LOL.
I see what your saying. Though I never thought of that section as crane. Actually I suppose I could suggest that beauty looks at mirror is more of an outward block, but it still could be very cranish. I don’t use my tan quite like that so I am not so sure about that connection. Interesting. Now you know why I choose the signature I have. LOL.
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Ohh, I forgot to add another thought. Fu Hok is “newer” isn’t it? If the white crane were part of hung gar, then it should be found in GGFF? That form I do know. Would you say the same applies to the opening of Gung Gee once your start moving, or even just before?
GJFFK is more rooted in the Fut Ga LoHan Kuen of Siu Lum Kuen. It is the Gung Faht of Hung-Ga-the development of the Gung-Fu Body. Focus is on building the structure, the stance, the connection between horse and waist and back (yieu-ma) and opens up into the Kuen-Faht-or technique development in Fook Fu Kuen, or in Lam Sai-Wing lines, the second half of the set. Not as much emphasis on the short bridging of the crane in this set.
Tiger Crane different from Hung Gar
I am a practitioner of Fu Hok Yao Kong Fut Pai (Tiger Crane, Soft Hard, Buddhist Sect) and it bears little or no resemblance to Hung Gar. For more information please check out the following web site.
Don’t forget that Hung Gar probably looked very different 200 years ago as well.
Fu Hok Yao Kong Fut Pai
The theory, design and strategy of the Fu Hok Yao Kong Fut Pai are also quite different than that of Hung Gar. Please also keep in mind that the Hung Gar contains other animal influences while the Fu Hok Yao Kong does not.