cramping and muscle pain

[QUOTE=Becca;861402]So the musle that cramps is the stronger muscle? I know when I was having major issues with my lower back aching and getting tierd long before it should, a trainer had me work my hip flexors in several ways. I’d assumed that my back was aching because it was the weeker rgion. Was it really my hip flexors being week causing my lower back to work harder?[/QUOTE]

I don’t know / it depends

the “simple” answer is that your hip flexors may have been facilitated (lower contractile threshold) / hypertonic (higher resting tone) and / or congested (e.g. - if you sit a lot, they stay shortened and can “pool” up ); by “working” on them you possibly a) cleared out the metabolic waste / pro-inflammatory substances (histokinenes e.g.) b) got a post-contractile relaxatory effect

the variables are what sort of activity (concentric, isometric or eccentric), what part of the range you worked in; to what degree of intensity you did what you did (e.g. - to point of relaxation or actual failure)

you may also have activated lower abdominals via “spill-over” from resisted hip flexion

you may also have issues with intestines, uterus, pelvic floor, actual joint restriction, issues with other muscles (hams, erector spinae), and you may also have a synergistic effect of contracting during emotional stress; you may also hold your breath a lot during the day without being aware of it; the list goes on and on, and all these things can effect LBP to varying degrees, and can respond to generalized input with varying degrees of success depending on the way in which they all interact on any given day or moment even (beginning to see why off-the-cuff “advice” gets me nervous?);

fortunately, the body is very good at taking a lot of different types of input and using it to assist the general drive towards homeostasis; which is why a lot of different things can “work” for a variety of different situations - for good or ill: on the one hand, many people can receive benefit from even rudimentary / relatively unskilled and general input - but this usually is when someone still has the ability to compensate enough in the system, or doesn’t have “contradictory” issues (e.g. - multi-planar / directional shearing strains in the connective tissue system) - when you have that sort of thing, the ability of the system to take a general input (e.g. - massage, resisted isometrics, long-lever adjustments) and use it is compromised, because “fixing” one issue can irritate the other;

so, again, I don’t know specifically what is up w/you, but yes, doing “stuff” with hip flexors can help LBP for any number of reasons, including “weakness” of hip flexors - but that is a bit more complicated and has to do with length-tension relationships of hips flexors, especially in terms of how the operate functionally during, for example, the gait cycle

oh, BTW, shadowlin said i was supposed to apologize to you after i responded to one of your posts on my “Life After Forms” thread - I guess he must have intuited how crushed you were by my response or some such…I’m guessing you were so broken up about it, that you forgot to mention it to me…

Wow! I guess I’ll just be satisfied with “stopped hurting.”

But if you ar interested:

the variables are what sort of activity (concentric, isometric or eccentric), what part of the range you worked in; to what degree of intensity you did what you did (e.g. - to point of relaxation or actual failure)

Always to the point of muscle failure. It su cked very much bad for the first 2-3 weeks because it was pretty much my whole body. But it did work and I’ve been able to maintain the results.

He had me doing walk-throughs, duck walk, wrestling style shots, some other wrestling drills I have no clue what are called, gain stepping, ect. I got to rest as much as I needed, but a session wasn’t over till I literally couldn’t get my body move the way it needed to. This took only about 15-20 minutes at first, but I was able to go for almost an hour after a month or so. I did this 1 day a week with him and had “homework” for the rest of the week that was usually yoga based. (this is where I learned to love yoga.)

oh, BTW, shadowlin said i was supposed to apologize to you after i responded to one of your posts on my “Life After Forms” thread - I guess he must have intuited how crushed you were by my response or some such…I’m guessing you were so broken up about it, that you forgot to mention it to me…

??? I’m a forms person, you aren’t. We are never going to see eye to eye on that topic. No reason to be pizzy about it… Is there?:confused:

Besides, I was trolling on that thread. :smiley:

[QUOTE=Becca;861430]??? I’m a forms person, you aren’t. We are never going to see eye to eye on that topic. No reason to be pizzy about it… Is there?:confused:[/QUOTE]
none, whatsoever - hence my sarcasm; my point was, in case you had noticed, that his favorite tactic is to play super ego, and I guess being “defender of the weak” is just one of the ways he goes about that…

that said, I am not anti-form per se - i just believe in redefining the context a bit (or a lot)

[QUOTE=Becca;861430]Besides, I was trolling on that thread. :D[/QUOTE]

well, duh…

[QUOTE=Becca;861426]Wow! I guess I’ll just be satisfied with “stopped hurting.”

But if you ar interested:

Always to the point of muscle failure. It su cked very much bad for the first 2-3 weeks because it was pretty much my whole body. But it did work and I’ve been able to maintain the results.

He had me doing walk-throughs, duck walk, wrestling style shots, some other wrestling drills I have no clue what are called, gain stepping, ect. I got to rest as much as I needed, but a session wasn’t over till I literally couldn’t get my body move the way it needed to. This took only about 15-20 minutes at first, but I was able to go for almost an hour after a month or so. I did this 1 day a week with him and had “homework” for the rest of the week that was usually yoga based. (this is where I learned to love yoga.)[/QUOTE]

yeah well, still hard to say exactly what the mechanism of "healing’ was here - could have been what I mentioned, could also be overall increase in conditioning / muscle balance (BTW, much / most of the exercises you describe work hip extensors and lateral stabilizers of the pelvis, which would certainly go a long way to rebalance things)

anyway, happy to hear it worked - even if it wasn’t PT (and therefore inherently less than perfect, of course! :p)

I usually ignore the holier-than-though- I get enough fo that from my ex and his new wife. I like this forum for the mix of “types” but that doesn’t meen I pay attention to all of them. And I only troll people whom I know won’t take it too seriously. :wink: