What would I expect from this group of knuckleheads.:rolleyes:
It’s not like I am talking about dim mak death touches, posion hand strikes or Mr. Moody’s “sit boobo sit” qi magic.
I am talking about basic mechanics of chokes, strangles and their related breathern like tracheal based attacks and their more lethal based applications.
No chi, no ki, no ramadamadingdong.
Just simple stuff that has had a bit of military R&D done on it for certain applications. Applications that really do not have a basis in the civilan world because of legal justifications but that IMHO still have merit in certain contexts.
We are not talking about those Van Dam movie neck breaks where he walks up to somebody and SNAP the bad guy falls dead without any muss of fuss.
Most of the naked rear strangle and military chokes are modified for sentry removal.
Their is a difference between a neck break where a fighter uses the force of gravity to bring both of them down with the intent of
snapping the assailants neck and a tracheal choke where the goal is to attack the windpipe or choke out the attacker by putting his adam’s apple directly across the forearm.
The way I have seen and been instructed on these methods is to never attempt any choke without a bit of atemi waza being used first.
An example would be to strike the throat from behind with a wrist blow into the throat, then turn your wrist up, this would rip the chin up & sideways exposing the windpipe, now you would slam your wristbone into the exposed target.
These types of windpipe chokes when done without the very dangerous “set-up” strike will start your alarm bells ringing and bring about almost immediate shut-down.
When done with force and intent they can crush the windpipe, this reason alone is why IMHO, these types of techs should only be done with with severe caution, a training dummy is very good for these applications, as what truewrestler pointed out, it is very hard to go balls out with something that targets the throat in such a direct way.
Which will provide some obvious training implications on how far the technique can go because of the risk. Where sleeper holds are safer to do as they are created to restrict blood flow to the brain and to not crush the windpipe.
There are even reports of two handed tracheal chokes used with the police riot baton or tonfa that after the perp was subdued and thrown into their cell the windpipe would close off and they would suffocate from delayed swelling of the cartilage due to the trauma inflicted from the method, a method I do not believe police are allowed to use anymore because of the severe risks.
Carotid chokes work because you are partially cutting off blood but also because the carotids contain baroreceptors that monitor your blood pressure & adjust your heartrate to keep bad things like brain aneuryisms from occuring.
Those types of chokes trigger the baroreceptors and this causes a fall in the heart rate.
Different strokes for different folks but I am not talking about wam-bam snap your neck mam methods here. Nothing is that simple in the martial arts and there are many different way of applying these variations and their effects.
Some just may have much more lethal outcomes then others.
WaterDragon: Sounds good to me as I need the extra practice right now due to my work schedule. Lets see if we can find a time after the Holidays. You still have my e-mail?
Rogue: Some other good books to look at our Kill or be Killed by Applegate, Cold Steel by Styer, Deal the First Deadly Blow (can not remeber author), Close Combat Files by Applegate and of course anything by Fairbairn.
MonkeySlap: I am not an expert on the O’Neill system by any means though it is important to point out his combative history in reference to what he taught or in this case modified, he was a direct student of Fairbairn, a memeber of the Shanghai Police, and a solider in the “Devil Brigade” 1st Special Service Force.
I believe his methods were the ones that replaced the Biddle system for the USMC’s during the Veitnam-era.
His methods are very close to Fairbairns with the expection that he added a few more kicks like the pivot kick and front snap kick as well as some more rear naked strangle stuff.
No commerical based approaches, any two lugnuts can R&D it out in the backyard with miminal equipment, miminal conditioning and a bit of aggression.
It does not have depth but I do not think that was the point in the creation of those teachings anyway.
What turned your frown upside down on what you saw?
