CHUM GING

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you say "great suffering"lord budha?what if your blinded by ignorance like i[do i still suffer?]how do we now we suffer?i mean,if you were of christian faith,would you suffer?how do we know or you know we really come back as anything?

what duty is that then?for you lord budha.

so you only see the future and never the past?do we not learn from the past,is it that we should block out the past?

oh,so you never get to the point,because of your longggg threads.are they that great lord budha?

now will you liberate me,as you can see how much torment i’m in.save me please?
:o :o :o

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Now Now Children

Sui Fuw,
Where are your manners!!! We have lord Buddah showing us the way.

Really there are good points that Prana is trying to share,and eleviate our suffering and ignorance.
I commend him if that is his way. He has the guts to come out with the thing he beleives in.
He doesn’t care if he is ridiculed or if he lives or dies. So you cannot compare yourself to him cause he has little regard for himself.
I wish I could be like that and get rid of my worst enemy(My EGO).
I’ll just have to find another way I suppose :eek:

Mistress- I think your getting well known now.
Could I be so bold to ask for 10%.
Just think you’ll be well known on this FORUM. Not for your knowledge of Martial Arts but Marital Arts. Your Sifu must be proud!!!
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.
When is your new website coming up mistress?

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yeah,prana’s ego to m@sterb@te
oh,and cloud i have no manners or is it the illusion that lord budha talks about?

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As I Christian I have absolutely no idea of what is going on.Can someone elaborate?

“Always be ready”

“right, that’s it!you’ve insulted me, and you’ve insulted the shaolin temple!”-Fish of Furry

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Cloud-fuw,
That was a very insulting remark about my Sifu. However, I know your limited scope of honor, and I’m not one to take things said here personally, so I’ll respond with humor. Yes, my Master is proud of my “marital arts” as you refer to them. They have helped me to stay with my husband for ten years. (audible gasp of dispair from forum members ) He is proud that I am dedicated in all things.

However, until you can see past your nose, you can still believe me to be a *****, and I will still believe you to be a waste of skin.

Now, instead of “chumming”, can we get back to “chum ging” around here?

“Waiting is bad.” - Musashi
www.lungyingjingjung.com

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“I will still believe you to be a waste of skin”

ROTFLMAO!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>you say "great suffering"lord budha?what if your blinded by ignorance like i[do i still suffer?]how do we now we suffer?i mean,if you were of christian faith,would you suffer?how do we know or you know we really come back as anything?
what duty is that then?for you lord budha.

so you only see the future and never the past?do we not learn from the past,is it that we should block out the past?[/quote]

If you were of any faith, so long as you have the mindfulness at your passing to remember the embodiment of the greatest self compassion, than what ego is there to be fearful ? Be that Jesus or even Mickey Mouse, it makes no difference. One can only hope the winds are not distracted towards rebirth in the lower beings.

The cycle of life automatically destroys all causation of ego, as one dies, one is forced to leave all attachments behind.

Like going to sleep, one prepares for tomorrow. Like the passing of this life, one prepares for the next, such is karma.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>oh,so you never get to the point,because of your longggg threads.are they that great lord budha?[/quote]
Of course not, they are merely words. They mean good to those whose intentions are good, they mean bad to those whose intentions are bad, and they mean emptiness to those who are wise.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>now will you liberate me,as you can see how much torment i’m in.save me please?[/quote]

How could I, fellow being, when I am drowning together with you in samsara. For I myself is far from liberation. Perhaps the long threads, a small seed may be planted and may it come to fruition to be a tree of merits. That is my task… my point, the path I wish to take.

May my long threads never cause you to suffer torment ever again.

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prana what a load of cr@p,u make no sense and have not answerd any of my questions,truthfully.

do chritians suffer.yes or no?

do i suffer because of ignorance yes or no?

how do u really know samsara exists?

how do u really know karma exsits?

your long threads are FULL of ramble diahoria to me,does that mean i’m not wise?

you plant the seeds yet you don’t know what they grow into.your liberation is it futher away than from mine,i guess not,therefore you can help,can u not for me to get as far as you?

just a simple yes or no to help my torment may go a long way,but will it be the right direction?

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ahaha I have answered your question, over and over, but you do not see.

“Do christians suffer, yes or no ?”
If you are prideful and call yourself a Christian (YES you SUFFER). If you practise the compassion as displayed by the Great Jesus (NO you liberate from Suffering). If you die with the thought of Jesus as your saviour, not out of pride, but out of the compassionate energy of Jesus, (NO, may be saved from the cycle of samsara forever).

“If you suffer due to ignorance?”. YES, one becomes trapped in the cycle of rebirth and death.

“How do you know samsara exists ?” Can you take your wealth with you ? Can you take your friends and family with you ? Can you take your most priced posessions with you when you die, your corpse ? This is the cause of suffering, in samsara. Samsara is no magic word, merely means suffering, in the life cycles, due to ignorance, craving and hatred.

“How do I know karma exists ?” You become angry, and I become angry, that is karma. It is simply causal and effect. You can understand on many different levels, but why bother understanding the inmpossible, when you can see yourself building anger in this very thread ? This IS KARMA Why do you not see ?

My threads are full of **** ? <— Words of mine are impure - I am not free of suffering, perhaps I suffer more than you, I emphasise strongly. So you are not wrong Words are full of ****

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> your liberation is it futher away than from mine,i guess not,therefore you can help,can u not for me to get as far as you?
[/quote]Yes, I have seen and endured much suffering. But so which one of us havent ? I can only help you by explaining, I cannot help you by some magical formula. So NO, I cant help you, YOU need to walk the path YOURSELF…

Be free from this anger, or I shall refrain from replying to stop your torment. I would hate to torment you.

Again, I tried to explain, do you see ?

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if I may add

I live my life differently from you. Life for me is preparing for death. Death, if not traversed properly, means much suffering and rebirth. And so, life is very short, there isn’t much time to meditate.

It is precious, do you understand ?

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Good point,a life reveiw is good at anytime,
anyplace and any where,most wait until the end of
their time on this plane.

I try to have one everyday,it helps.

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you keep refering to “path”.what does it look like?is it a sand path,a concrete path,a mud path?its so i know that i’m on the right path you see.

"to know the way is different to being on the way".

so you see talk all you like from your interpretations of budhism,at the end of the day,what experience have you recalled to realisation?

1 more?
“what is the sound of one hand clapping”?

and then you can be on your “way”

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can i just add.
“i do see past my blindness” more to the point "do you see"it seems to me your re-enforcing your beliefs?the more times you say it,the more times you believe it. peace lord budha,i expect you’ll not answer?
but thanks for trying to liberate me with your religion.

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Damned

What can I say Sui Fuw.
Your Damned, Damned, Damned I tell you- aaaaah!!!
Save yourself ask LORD BUDDAH for mercy before it’s too late!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
LOOK just agree to everything he says then he might give us the answer to CHUM GING.
Hurry cos Mistress M.D is pi$ her pants for the answer.

Mistress- thank you for your kind words. It is a honour to be called ‘a watse of skin’ by someone so perfect.
Your Sifu must be proud!!!
By the way what does your SiFu say about this CHUM GING ? How do you perform it? What is it’s purpose? how do you counter it???
Please enlighten us with your Marital oops sorry MARTIAL expertise.

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just as i thought no reply,from lord budha.anyway how are you,cloud?
sorry can’t agree with him,hes to high in stature,but i’ll let him dictate to me.funny though he doesn’t believe in dogma i could of sworn it was,but then again “WHO AM I”.damned,i was and am before i spoke to lordbudha.
ahhh the answer,i hope he does,he seems to know alot?

catch you later bro.
oh are talking to f.t,he wants to know more of hakka people?

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Sinking power, how do you use it? I believe that when one truly knows how to sink, one’s whole body will become very heavy to your opponent irrespective of your body type. A person that has superior sinking can knock the opponent’s guard or bridge away very easily, because he/she will possess hands that feels like lead to the opponent. Also sinking will enable you to absorb blows and sink a lot of the force to the ground.

I am sure there are many methods to develop this sinking power depending on the school and style. In my opinion some of the more effective methods of training this sinking power is to practise the various standing exercises and stance training that exist in the various schools. Of particular importance is the ability to feel inside ones body and play with the alignments to achieve different aspects of sinking.

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Cannonfist

Sinking- is it a pysical thing or a mental thing?
For example could you still sink if you were doing a flying kick?
P.S I know you don’t practice flying kicks in Pak Mei. (just your thoughts?)

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sui-fuw

My realisations are subtle but beneficial, though it seems only for myself, perhaps selfish. If you care to know, it is is great to realise the mind rides on the winds. It is also great to realise the blissfulness of the central channel. That your mind is very directly controlled at your breathe level, and that the body is not made up of just the external level of blood, skin and bones. I have also realised that dreams and nightmares are great stepping stones for realisation practises, and possibly most of all, all thoughts and reactions also manifest at teh sensation level at a certain part of your subtle body. This is the reason for mindfulness at all times. This is the reason for insightful meditation.

What is the sound of one hand clappin ? Great question, but I do not follow the path of C’han (Zen) but there are many followers of that lineage here. Perhaps they would prefer to comment.

I have no religion, I only know the path of meditation. Also, I did not pick the nickname sui-fuew to preach too, why should I, for this nickname that I speak to is so empty ? I speak to the person whose mind writes these words, not to a pattern of alphanumeric.

I only know one truth Sui Fuw, and that is, YOU and I, we both must die. We have been given a chance in this life as a human being, and my “path” is to learn how to die properly, and make use of it the best I can. Your “path” is of course, will be something else, and is absolutely totally your choice, your “path” towards finding your happiness. How could I refute that Sui Fuw ? We are all sentient beings…

If so you wish to know the path, it is simple, be mindful of all your actions, when you move, eat, talk, sleep, you try… When the mind wanders with mindless thoughts and chatter, you simply bring it back when you come to realise. Like a flame being blown, when the wind stops, it returns to the center, neither the past nor the future. It is difficult, and perhaps unnatural, but this is the cause of our past Karma, but as you can see, totally scientific, and totally un-dogma-tic, and totally non-religious.

I know you are only taking these words as a source of humour, but thanks to you, I have a chance to perform a good deed. Of course, whether you see these words as words of evil is totally up to you, and your choice if you wish to listen. Because like it or not, you have read, and a seed be planted. That is all I can and will do

Unfortunately, on the topic of Chum, I cannot offer any help. But nevertheless, again, I apologise for “hi-jacking” this thread. So Sui-fuw, I leave you at that. Good luck, and I hope you find much happiness.

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Cannon fist

Thanks for posting a related reply !!! Chum ging’s developed in basic level forms such as JIK BO or in YKM TUNG JI KUEN with basic punching being one of the techniques focused on (a punch is not just a punch), I see chum ging being used when someone front kicks at midsection level and you suil kiul (hammer ) down sinking the stance to cut down through the thigh .
Jik bo teachs it in a basic level, sinking with sat choi , you can practise standing natural and sinking into a horse or front stance then add hands. Then combinations of chum/tan or tou.2 man jongs are good to develop these powers, 2 man forms too!!

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Body Mind and Spirit

Please don’t leave this thread Prana.
What we are talking about is ten times more interesting than ‘ging’ anyway.

I think you are on a mission to spread your gospel, to sew seeds as you put it. It is quite difficult to do over the internet but I admire you for trying. I think all the forum members here are searching for some sort of truth.
Can I ask you a personal question- isn’t meditation a form of religion? or what constitutes as a religion.
You mention mindfulness- do you have to be in a meditative state all the time to be like this?
If so how can you get things done?
Do you not put yourself higher than other people when you can say what is good or bad for that person.
don’t you have to accept yourself before you accept others?
Does it not bother you how people perceive you?
Just a few questions to rack your brain.
I do hope you will not leave this thread.
Thanx.