Tree of Knowledge…
GOD said, " Abe, kill me a son" and Abe said " Yes, Sire, right away."
The rest is history on (what’s the no. of the highway?) 
Mantis108
Re: Tree of Knowledge…
Originally posted by mantis108
[B]GOD said, " Abe, kill me a son" and Abe said " Yes, Sire, right away."
The rest is history on (what’s the no. of the highway?)
Mantis108 [/B]
so I see you’ve been dipping into my stash again;)
:mad:
i just think no one should ever ever close their minds to the possiblity of anything existing. scientists haven’t explored 1/10th of 1 percent of reality as one physicist pointed out, and the deeper they go the stranger the world seems to get. the string theory for instance… skeptics are usually just as blind and dogmatic as believers. what scientist is gonna take time to investigate something he believes is total nonsense in the first place?
its important to use common sense. to use objective judgement to gain knowledge about life. but no one should ever shut their minds off to the possibility that their are things which your five senses will never be aware of. like most good things in life they have to be experienced first hand. most of the same common themes appear in remote places around the world independent of each other. it can’t all be dismissed as ignorant. religion seems like common sense to alot of people even though alot of things ‘in’ religion defy common sense. the assumption that all the energy and effort needed to create and sustain life actually has a purpose. but the case is the underlying message which is the most important is usually lost in the ceremony and blind belief. religions place is definitely not to replace science. but under the circumstances of their past history together, people ran from one extreme to the other. one day it’ll be reconciled though.
even most atheists dont believe that life has no point, even if they haven’t found answers about it that make sense, or that they are in agreement of. religion doesn’t have a monopoly on “crutches” for dealing with life either. if you really look, you can notice almost anything being used as a crutch…money…drugs…sex…food…anything… fear of death is neither here nor there. when it comes down to it very few people actually have no fear of dying… religious or not. its irrelevant. everyone seeks a purpose in life though…
Originally posted by diego
so why do you think god put the tree there then, huh???
lol im thinking cuz the guy who made that story up had no imagination?
would ya slap ur 3 year old around for eternity for behavin like a 3 year old?
aaaah the tree of knowledge… you would think it was a good thing… no?
Thank G_D
so I see you’ve been dipping into my stash again
Ummm… Isn’t it a free Canadian commodity by now? I thought it’s our MPs are the one who’s been dipping into your stash. lol… Those d@mn cheap blood suckers. 
They can rob you blind and that doesn’t make them criminals. oh well, la vita loca.
Mantis108
And Abe said , Lord where do you want this killing done
And God said down on Highway 61
Thanks, Kung Lek.
I just love those lines! Such poetry.
Mantis108
Re: christianity anti-intellectual?
Originally posted by SevenStar
Who here agrees that christianity is an anti-intellectual religion and why?
Christianity is demonstratably not anti-intellectual – this is an objective point of history. It was through Christianity that our culture received its tradition of education, and in particular the classical tradition emphasizing philosophy.
Catholicism, almost uniquely among major religions, claimed that faith should not be antithetical to reason – moreover, that the coherency of faith was completely provable by reason.
The idea that religion is fundamentally anti-intellectual because it is based upon providing an unfalsifiable position on problems in nature results from people’s own ignorance of the topic matter – it is not at all based on this. Both secular and theological philosophy typically begins with Plato, whose thought itself begins with distinguishing metaphysical from naturalist statements. Since this insight, religious thought in this tradition has been concerned with the former, not the latter.
As for the story in question, it is, of course, as some here have already pointed out, symbolic. It describes how the evolution of symbolic thought is both liberating, insofar as it permits a new kind of knowledge, yet alienating, as it makes mental association no longer relate to things-in-themselves, but only to symbols thereof. This is an idea which should be familiar to people aware of, for instance, Taoist thought.
The apple that can be eaten is not the true apple.
Originally posted by diego
so why do you think god put the tree there then, huh???
I don’t think it was put there as a temptation - it was put there to give them a choice - they could choose to follow his rules, or they could choose not to… and they chose to, until outside influence came in. Thing is, He’s all knowing, so He knew already that they would eat the fruit…
But it would seem that the way of God is not to intervene. if you are going to come to Him, you will - He will not force you. Satan on the other hand, will do anything in his power to draw you away.
Re: Re: christianity anti-intellectual?
Originally posted by Christopher M
Christianity is demonstratably not anti-intellectual – this is an objective point of history. It was through Christianity that our culture received its tradition of education, and in particular the classical tradition emphasizing philosophy.
true. I was going to say something along those lines.
Both secular and theological philosophy typically begins with Plato, whose thought itself begins with distinguishing metaphysical from naturalist statements. Since this insight, religious thought in this tradition has been concerned with the former, not the latter.
why do you think this is?
what tradition of education did we get from christianity? i’ve never heard this before…
Originally posted by Serpent
The apple that can be eaten is not the true apple.
Exactly.
Originally posted by FuXnDajenariht
what tradition of education did we get from christianity? i’ve never heard this before…
The tradition in general – the idea that we should run off to a campus and get educated. And in specific, the classical tradition – the idea of studying the great thinkers to become a ‘renaissance man.’
Originally posted by FuXnDajenariht
[B]lol im thinking cuz the guy who made that story up had no imagination?
would ya slap ur 3 year old around for eternity for behavin like a 3 year old?
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DEPENDS ON IF THE LIL BUGGER BE UP IN ME STASH:)
HE CAN GET HIS OWN…thinking of Pharcyde- pass the pipe…THANK YOU HOMAYYYYYYYY
No, actually our tradition of education, and especially of philosophy, came from Greece FAR prior to Christianity. In fact, Christianity in the form of those pious Dominicans of the European inquisition had a habit of discouraging intellectualism (at least among anyone not of “noble” lineage or a member of a monastery) because it kept the peasants superstitious and easier to control.
Originally posted by SevenStar
[B]I don’t think it was put there as a temptation - it was put there to give them a choice - they could choose to follow his rules, or they could choose not to… and they chose to, until outside influence came in. Thing is, He’s all knowing, so He knew already that they would eat the fruit…
But it would seem that the way of God is not to intervene. if you are going to come to Him, you will - He will not force you. Satan on the other hand, will do anything in his power to draw you away. [/B]
AH BUT THEN Drops into the equation the 3 year old dipping into the stash…personnally i think the jewish god of genisis is a heroin addict onsome odb shiat talking about i love doug e fresh interrupting his show and shiat like way to show ya love mcgirt:)
the story is weak because the evil that is the devil is just one point in the infinite god so i like my version of the yin/yang tree… the bible takes from older religions/faiths suppossedly like old african traditions etc so i’m prolly correct about the kundalini and the garden serpent…the concept of it all is prolly from an older faith!?
To be or not to be…
… A choice really?
I don’t think it was put there as a temptation - it was put there to give them a choice - they could choose to follow his rules, or they could choose not to… and they chose to, until outside influence came in. Thing is, He’s all knowing, so He knew already that they would eat the fruit…
But it would seem that the way of God is not to intervene. if you are going to come to Him, you will - He will not force you. Satan on the other hand, will do anything in his power to draw you away.
And in this sleep of death, what dreams may come?
Mantis108
PS sorry Sevenstar can’t help messing with that. No offense.
yea but what good is that if you try to suppress someone trying to use that knowledge?
i was always told that the renaissance was a result of people actually trying to distance themselves from the church. becoming dissatisfied with what was being taught. the secular humanist movement i think its called. i know for sure that some members of the church started some of the first universities to teach reading and writing but on the whole they weren’t very nice to people who didn’t agree with them.
you can make anything anti intellectual if you turn it into dogma. it may not have started that way but what would u say about the majority of practitioners today? most people take the bible completely literally.
Originally posted by diego
[B]AH BUT THEN Drops into the equation the 3 year old dipping into the stash…personnally i think the jewish god of genisis is a heroin addict onsome odb shiat talking about i love doug e fresh interrupting his show and shiat like way to show ya love mcgirt:)
the story is weak because the evil that is the devil is just one point in the infinite god so i like my version of the yin/yang tree… the bible takes from older religions/faiths suppossedly like old african traditions etc so i’m prolly correct about the kundalini and the garden serpent…the concept of it all is prolly from an older faith!? [/B]
yea…what you said.
you can find the origins of christianity in alot of ancient religions that existed long before it. people think the belief in one god and in angels and satan started with the bible…the flood myth etc existed in many cultures…
lol i got an alternative view of satan…it was on the history channel most likely. the idea that satan wasn’t ultimate evil or anything but that he loved god so much that he wouldn’t serve any other when commanded to…i gotta look it up now…
“even the devil is an angel”