# Choy Lay Fut kicks **URL:** \ **Category:** Southern Chinese Kung Fu\ **Created:** [September 9, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525 "2005-09-09T19:37:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ben\_Gash](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ben_gash/32/34_2.png) [@Ben\_Gash](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ben_Gash)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/41 "2005-09-14T15:07:39Z")
We’re just a little bored and irritated, you’re the one who’s shouting. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/42 "2005-09-14T16:58:26Z")
wing chun and fujian white crane uses the bagua symbol as a map of how and where to move in relation to the opponent movement. Does choy lay fut also use the bagua symbol as a guide for positioning? What strategy interms of angular footwork do choy lay fut people use in attack and defence? ---
**Author:** ![Infrazael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a183cd/32.png) [@Infrazael](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Infrazael)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/43 "2005-09-14T17:50:11Z")
I give up. Seriously please debate your histories elsewhere. PLEASE. ---
**Author:** ![Shaolindynasty](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/shaolindynasty/32/141_2.png) [@Shaolindynasty](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shaolindynasty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/44 "2005-09-14T18:04:45Z")
Kungfu fighter- CLF footwork is similar to an astrix symbol \* (should also be a line through the middle) Seriously guys I don’t give a fuk about these stupid history/lineage debates and frankly they pi$$ me off :mad: ---
**Author:** ![CLFNole](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/clfnole/32/50_2.png) [@CLFNole](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CLFNole)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/45 "2005-09-14T18:37:35Z")
CLF utilizes different footwork patterns in forms and fighting. Generally what you will see in forms is linear footwork (forward and back), sup gee footwork or “+” cross pattern and baat gwa footwork, which utilizes the 8 directions. In terms a fighting you would incorporate the baat gwa footwork since in and of itself it would include the other two. CLF footwork and handwork have the same overall principals and that is attacks from multiple angles. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/46 "2005-09-14T18:40:39Z")
> [@Shaolindynasty](#): > > Kungfu fighter- CLF footwork is similar to an astrix symbol \* (should also be a line through the middle) What’s an astrix symbol, is it this symbol in between the quotes “\*” Strategically what are you trying to accomplish? Can you give me some more details about this. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/47 "2005-09-14T18:46:12Z")
How is the baat gwa footwork used in choy lat fat in terms of the strategy involved, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to position yourself on a forty-five degree angle in relation to the opponent or do you use other angles as well such as going behind the opponent? ---
**Author:** ![Shaolindynasty](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/shaolindynasty/32/141_2.png) [@Shaolindynasty](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Shaolindynasty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/48 "2005-09-14T18:51:20Z")
yes that’s it. basically if you were to draw that on the floor it shows the various directions you can move in. Forward Back to the sides diangonal forward diangonal backward each one of these directions is used in relation to the position of the opponent in order to give you the strongest postion to attack. For instance if an opponent punches at you like a left jab then you might move diangonally forward to the left to get a good postion on his side so you can counter attack. If they lunge forward in may be nessacary to move diangonal backward to acheive the same position. It’s hard explaining this on the forum I hope you understand what I’m sayin. I feel if you use this in combination with CLF’s 10 elements you can respond to almost any situation ---
**Author:** ![Infrazael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a183cd/32.png) [@Infrazael](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Infrazael)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/49 "2005-09-14T22:22:20Z")
Very interesting. I will examine my fighting strategy and forms when I have time. Speaking of Ba Gua, would then cross-training into Ba Gua be good idea? Since CLF uses the 8 Taigrams foortork, would Ba Gua Zhang yield SUPERIOR results than the other internal systems: Tai Ji and Xing Yi? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![CLFNole](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/clfnole/32/50_2.png) [@CLFNole](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/CLFNole)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/50 "2005-09-14T22:24:28Z")
CLFs baat gwa footwork and the baat gwa style are very different. Baat gwa the system is very good but since your green better to learn more CLF first. ---
**Author:** ![Fu-Pow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/fu-pow/32/107_2.png) [@Fu-Pow](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Fu-Pow)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/51 "2005-09-14T23:18:53Z")
> [@Infrazael](#): > > Very interesting. I will examine my fighting strategy and forms when I have time. > > Speaking of Ba Gua, would then cross-training into Ba Gua be good idea? Since CLF uses the 8 Taigrams foortork, would Ba Gua Zhang yield SUPERIOR results than the other internal systems: Tai Ji and Xing Yi? > > Thanks. Agree with CLFNole, better to learn one system well before moving onto another. Ba Gua Zhang and Baat Gwa strategy in CLF really don’t have a lot to do with each other, other than the name + the philosophical theory of the eight trigrams. However, I think Ba Gua Zhang and CLF could be a good combo. CLF mixed with another closer range, synchronous (ie internal) style is a good mix. Thats why I do CLF and Chen Taiji. Its really just like the MMA guys mixing Judo and Muy Thai ie short range, long range. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/52 "2005-09-14T23:38:13Z")
What’s the difference in application between Ba Gua Zhang and Baat Gwa strategy in CLF. A detailed explanation would be nice! ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/53 "2005-09-15T17:31:26Z")
What’s the difference in application between Ba Gua Zhang and Baat Gwa strategy in CLF. A detailed explanation would be nice! ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_fighter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ba0ec/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_fighter](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kung_fu_fighter)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525/54 "2005-09-18T17:56:12Z")
Hi, What’s the difference in application between Ba Gua Zhang and CLF Baat Gwa strategy. Can someone give a detailed explanation of some examples and specific applications of how the Baat Gwa strategy is used in Choy Lay Fut? [Previous page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/choy-lay-fut-kicks/33525.md?page=2)