hello i am super duper expert in kung fu. if u have any question about chinese weapon i can answer u. thx
[QUOTE=bawang;1286207]hello i am super duper expert in kung fu. if u have any question about chinese weapon i can answer u. thx[/QUOTE]
what’s that one called with the blade and the thingy and has that tassly thingy on the thing with the thing? You know what I’m saying? What is that?
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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1286208]what’s that one called with the blade and the thingy and has that tassly thingy on the thing with the thing? You know what I’m saying? What is that?[/QUOTE]
it call gwailo rice bowl attraction device
i will answer all question about kung fu weapon srs
How many were historically used in war, (opposed to those invented for performance)?
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1286212]How many were historically used in war, (opposed to those invented for performance)?[/QUOTE]
every traditional kung fu weapon no matter how strange looking was used in war, even the modern performance toothpick midget spears had legitimate use (used to fire off primitive gunpowder shots, shortened to prevent breaking)
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What was the military use of the three sectional staff?
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1286243]What was the military use of the three sectional staff?[/QUOTE]
backup cavalry weapon
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1286212]How many were historically used in war, (opposed to those invented for performance)?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the Dynasty,
In the real early dynasties (stone-age through Spring Autumn) you would have seen the bow and chariot, along with a lot of long handled axes and hand axes leading up to the invention of the Ji which would have both a spear and axe head. But the spear ended up being more practical over time because both mounted and unmounted soldiers could use it and you could use it in formations.
Universally - horse archers were pretty much used in every dynasty after Spring Autumn, then archer infantry, spear, spear and shield, dao/broadsword, and broadsword and shield.
Worth noting because of widespread use are - crossbow, light cavalry, and long handled dao called modao (Chinese: ) .
the jian was mostly ceremonial, all other weapons were one-offs and not in widespread use. The theatrical device of heroes using special weapons gave rise to a lot of the various weaponry you see today.
Something that you all might be interested in is this speed archery demonstration because it’ll give you some idea of the significance and impact that a bow would have had in the hands of a skilled archer.
This is a good book if you guys are interested in the evolution of Chinese Martial Arts.
Oddly coincidental
[QUOTE=MightyB;1286588]This is a good book if you guys are interested in the evolution of Chinese Martial Arts.
I was just discussing Peter Lorge with Ben Judkins.
Okay, my martial scholar name-dropping is done for today.
I’m actually surprised archery doesn’t feature prominently in tcma training. Archery was certainly important to warfare.
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1286613]I’m actually surprised archery doesn’t feature prominently in tcma training. Archery was certainly important to warfare.[/QUOTE]
archery was very prominently featured in tcma training. just not post republic money making kung fu. you cant milk people teaching archery. it takes like 5 minutes
[QUOTE=MightyB;1286586]
the jian was mostly ceremonial, all other weapons were one-offs and not in widespread use. The theatrical device of heroes using special weapons gave rise to a lot of the various weaponry you see today.[/QUOTE]
the jian and all the theater weapons were real weapons that were widely used in the song dynasty, the apex period of cold weapons warfare before firearms
jian - back up cataphract weapon for finishing heavy armor, used like a dagger.
guan dao - elite horse skirmishers
various mace - heavy cavalry backup weapon, chosen over jian based on preference
monk spade - combat shovel from elite engineer corps, tunneling and trench digging
hammer - combat hammer from elite engineer corps, for assembling siege engines
axe - elite shield breaking troops
giant axe and hammer - elite siege assault troops for breaking doors and barriers, disabling siege engines
Yeah, jian was the primary short bladed weapon from Spring & Autumn right up until Song/Yuan.
battlefield weapons
again, it depends on the dynasty -
even though the jian fell out of widespread battlefield use, it was still a revered weapon of the elite aristocrat.
Halberds were extremely popular during the three kingdoms, but the spear just ended up being the more practical weapon. Eventually rifles, canons, and pistols found their way to the battlefield.
one thing I know for sure is that since I started looking at the academic books on Chinese martial arts that focus on archaeological evidence and authentic historical writings… Bawang is right and telling the truth about historical Chinese martial arts.
The real history is actually better and more interesting than the myths that are often told.
[QUOTE=bawang;1286614]
the jian and all the theater weapons were real weapons that were widely used in the song dynasty, the apex period of cold weapons warfare before firearms
jian - back up cataphract weapon for finishing heavy armor, used like a dagger.
guan dao - elite horse skirmishers
various mace - heavy cavalry backup weapon, chosen over jian based on preference
monk spade - combat shovel from elite engineer corps, tunneling and trench digging
hammer - combat hammer from elite engineer corps, for assembling siege engines
axe - elite shield breaking troops
giant axe and hammer - elite siege assault troops for breaking doors and barriers, disabling siege engines[/QUOTE]
this is what I was talking about - real history is interesting and paints a better picture of how the weapons would be used than the myths. I can picture a force of men wielding giant axes and hammers smashing the heck out of things and that’s really cool. That would make for a better movie than wire worked flying swordsmen IMO.
Ever read my take on monk spades?
[QUOTE=bawang;1286614]a
monk spade - combat shovel from elite engineer corps, tunneling and trench digging
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Most likely apocryphal. There’s no archeological evidence to support their existence beyond temple altar displays and most of those are symbolic, not practical. Read The Spade, the Whip and the Mountain Gate from our 2012 Shaolin Special. Get your monk spades here.
Elite engineer corps…:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1286628]Most likely apocryphal. There’s no archeological evidence to support their existence beyond temple altar displays and most of those are symbolic, not practical. Read The Spade, the Whip and the Mountain Gate from our 2012 Shaolin Special. Get your monk spades here.
Elite engineer corps…:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
everything i said is from song military manual wu jing zong yao. axe head shaped combat shovels were widely used in the song dynasty as entrenching tools and backup weapons. the moon cresent butt spike is ceremonial but was a separate weapon used to defend city walls.
chinese folk lore from long fist says they are two separate types of combat shovels that were combined together for ceremonial and aesthetic reasons, the sun shaped shovel and moon shaped shovel.
chinese engineer corps were the best siege engineers in the world. mongols used them to conquer bagdad.