Further Comparison
Here is a comparison of another short part of the form to chew on and discuss:
WHF Northern Praying Mantis
Horse Stance, Right Split Punch
Twist Stance, Left Sticky Elbow
Ascend Mountain, Left Turn Elbow
CCK TJPM
Horse Stance, Right Split Palm
Left Ride Tiger Stance, Right Hook/Left Facing Sky Elbow
Right Riding Tiger Stance, Left Head Elbow
TJPM
Ride Tiger Stance, Right Split Palm
Right Jade Ring, Right Hook/Left Facing Sky Elbow
Right Ascend Mountain, Left Stamping Elbow/Right File Punch (this is a trip over the left thigh)
Have at it! 
The NPM version, as I was taught, has all three strikes aimed at a single opponent.
The CCK TJPM version seems to deal with two or three opponents and involves hopping.
The TJPM version deals with two separate opponents. A chop to one direction, then an elbow attack followed by a tripping elbow technique to a second direction.
As far as preference goes, I like the WHF version and application.
Thank you, Richard.
I look forward to your video of Bung Bu.
Regards,
Steve
gunglikchuan,
I will try to get that done today. Send me a private message with your e-mail address to receive it.
Bah, I couldn’t send it by e-mail because it said the file was too large. So I am putting it on YouTube and will post the link. If it ever uploads the dang file. Wow, is it slooooooow!
Here is the YouTube link to my clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faP6b534THg
Please note that it was done slowly with no opening bow or jing applied to show the movements clearly.
Cui Shou Shan’s quanpu for Beng Bu
Though this thread was started three years ago, I thought what I am about to add is most relevant here.
Xiaoyao (Will) has added the quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu here:
http://www.monkeystealspeach.co.uk/quan-pu-texts-from-taiji-tang-lang.php
Great information Will!
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1171053]Though this thread was started three years ago, I thought what I am about to add is most relevant here.
Xiaoyao (Will) has added the quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu here:
http://www.monkeystealspeach.co.uk/quan-pu-texts-from-taiji-tang-lang.php
Great information Will![/QUOTE]
Just give you all the original quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu in his manuscript.
[QUOTE=alextse4;1171113]Just give you all the original quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu in his manuscript.[/QUOTE]
Alex,
Excellent! Thank you for that!
Any thoughts on who you believe created this form?
Alex, where did you get this quanpu? The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says “zuo you er yin yang” whereas it should be “chan long hu yan”
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1171236]Alex, where did you get this quanpu? The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says “zuo you er yin yang” whereas it should be “chan long hu yan”[/QUOTE]
The quanpu that Alex posted is very similar to the one that Xia Shaolong of Qingdao has on his Beng Bu DVD. replaces . In the same way that is found at the beginning rather than .
Originally, I thought maybe the differences were due to the fact that Master Xia is from Wang Yushan’s lineage rather than Cui Shoushan’s lineage. But if I am understanding Alex correctly, what he posted was a hand written copy by Master Cui Shoushan himself.
The plot thickens!
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1171236] The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says “zuo you er yin yang” whereas it should be “chan long hu yan”[/QUOTE]
It is the same.
Zuo you er yin yang and chan long hu yan are the same move with a different perspective.
[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;1171250]It is the same.
Zuo you er yin yang and chan long hu yan are the same move with a different perspective.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but why the different wording? And which is the original?
Prior to Cui Shoushan the move was also called ‘Praying Mantis Hands to left and right.’ At least that is what Liang Xuexiang writes, but what they write and what they teach don’t always match.
When Zhou Zhendong teaches the moves he mentions somethings that are very useful such as, this move can be done this way or that way, it is called this or that.
So, each generation may write something down one way and teach it orally another way.
[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;1171369]Prior to Cui Shoushan the move was also called ‘Praying Mantis Hands to left and right.’ At least that is what Liang Xuexiang writes, but what they write and what they teach don’t always match.
When Zhou Zhendong teaches the moves he mentions somethings that are very useful such as, this move can be done this way or that way, it is called this or that.
So, each generation may write something down one way and teach it orally another way.[/QUOTE]
Interesting! Thank you for the feedback!
My shandong series 8 book is CKTaichi mantis bung bo,I have put all the manuscript of bung bo of all the old great grand masters in it.
[QUOTE=alextse4;1171464]My shandong series 8 book is CKTaichi mantis bung bo,I have put all the manuscript of bung bo of all the old great grand masters in it.[/QUOTE]
Is the book available for purchase? If so, how?
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1171474]Is the book available for purchase? If so, how?[/QUOTE]
Please write to my e-mail:alexanderx@126.com
[QUOTE=alextse4;1171549]Please write to my e-mail:alexanderx@126.com[/QUOTE]
Thanks! Just sent you an e-mail.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1171474]Is the book available for purchase? If so, how?[/QUOTE]
http://youtu.be/Bqt6fOy-8so