# Black Taoist to fight Bill Duff **URL:** \ **Category:** Kung Fu Forum\ **Tags:** larping, black-taoist-eats-as, some-ass-is-tasty, black-taoist-bjj, the-tasty-ass-is-min, 1bad-stirs-pot, 1bad-fellates-mmaers, ray-whips-black-toun\ **Created:** [June 24, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691 "2008-06-24T13:27:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/1 "2008-06-24T13:27:26Z")
Stole this from the eF… [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafPZP0-FAo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafPZP0-FAo) ---
**Author:** ![Judge\_Pen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/judge_pen/32/409_2.png) [@Judge\_Pen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Judge_Pen)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/2 "2008-06-24T13:42:59Z")
I’m not supposed to watch youtube at work. When’s the fight? What are the details? ---
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/3 "2008-06-24T14:03:17Z")
He needs to get a new heavy Bag. ---
**Author:** ![WinterPalm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a3d4f5/32.png) [@WinterPalm](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/WinterPalm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/4 "2008-06-24T16:15:46Z")
Says private video. ---
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/5 "2008-06-24T16:16:48Z")
LOL! It was public this morning. ---
**Author:** ![AJM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5fc32e/32.png) [@AJM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/AJM)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/6 "2008-06-24T16:18:16Z")
Oh this is gonna be so good. ---
**Author:** ![Judge\_Pen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/judge_pen/32/409_2.png) [@Judge\_Pen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Judge_Pen)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/7 "2008-06-24T16:43:32Z")
Details please… ---
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/8 "2008-06-24T17:41:42Z")
[QUOTE=Judge Pen;869442]Details please…[/QUOTE] It doesn’t say much, just that his first MMA fight will be against Bill Duff, and they he and Shariff and some others are forming a “Kung Fu” MMA team. ---
**Author:** ![BruceSteveRoy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/brucesteveroy/32/681_2.png) [@BruceSteveRoy](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/BruceSteveRoy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/9 "2008-06-24T18:00:20Z")
i may be way off base on this one but i thought i recall them discrediting the need for grappling in fighting on one of their videos a while back. maybe they were just talking about bjj. or maybe it wasn’t them i am thinking of. but if it was i would be curious to see what happens in an mma fight without the grappling aspect. either way i think it will be interesting to see what they do in an mma fight using just kung fu. ---
**Author:** ![1bad65](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/1bad65/32/813_2.png) [@1bad65](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/1bad65)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/10 "2008-06-24T18:05:18Z")
What is a Black Taoist? ---
**Author:** ![NJM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/njm/32/729_2.png) [@NJM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NJM)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/11 "2008-06-24T18:13:23Z")
[QUOTE=1bad65;869459]What is a Black Taoist?[/QUOTE] He’s this guy who has r34l antigrapple and posts it on youtube. ---
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/12 "2008-06-24T19:05:25Z")
[QUOTE=1bad65;869459]What is a Black Taoist?[/QUOTE] He was one of the coaches on BETs “Iron Ring” show. He’s a Bagua guy who posts a lot of stuff online. ---
**Author:** ![NJM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/njm/32/729_2.png) [@NJM](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NJM)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/13 "2008-06-24T19:08:29Z")
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;869475]He was one of the coaches on BETs “Iron Ring” show. He’s a Bagua guy who posts a lot of stuff online.[/QUOTE] Can you link us to the EF post about it? ---
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/14 "2008-06-24T19:11:18Z")
[QUOTE=BruceSteveRoy;869458]i may be way off base on this one but i thought i recall them discrediting the need for grappling in fighting on one of their videos a while back. maybe they were just talking about bjj. or maybe it wasn’t them i am thinking of. but if it was i would be curious to see what happens in an mma fight without the grappling aspect. either way i think it will be interesting to see what they do in an mma fight using just kung fu.[/QUOTE] I think they were saying you don’t need to train grappling if you train to counter it. In other words, if you train your “antigrapple” ( The GnP , power drops, striking from the guard, etc) you don’t need to actually take up BJJ, wrestling, Sambo, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/15 "2008-06-24T19:15:46Z")
[QUOTE=sanjuro\_ronin;869478]I think they were saying you don’t need to train grappling if you train to counter it. In other words, if you train your “antigrapple” ( The GnP , power drops, striking from the guard, etc) you don’t need to actually take up BJJ, wrestling, Sambo, or whatever.[/QUOTE] No, he has his own “Bagua” grappling: [http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggjJFEcf4Ls&feature=user](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggjJFEcf4Ls&feature=user) [http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahw3yXfK1nE&feature=user](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahw3yXfK1nE&feature=user) ---
**Author:** ![sanjuro\_ronin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sanjuro_ronin/32/793_2.png) [@sanjuro\_ronin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/sanjuro_ronin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/16 "2008-06-24T19:17:17Z")
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;869479]No, he has his own “Bagua” grappling: [http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggjJFEcf4Ls&feature=user](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggjJFEcf4Ls&feature=user) [http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahw3yXfK1nE&feature=user[/QUOTE]](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahw3yXfK1nE&feature=user%5B/QUOTE%5D) Ah, so you need grappling, perferably their version of it? Marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_Pina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ray_pina/32/242_2.png) [@Ray\_Pina](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ray_Pina)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/17 "2008-06-24T19:38:24Z")
Well, I have to commend them for coming right out front and being honest, saying that they’re not experts and experimenting… that’s noble. That’s what all martial artists should be doing, searching to improve. In my own experience my advice would be to go to a local BJJ school or club. There’s plenty of high-level guys with fight experience who have been in and studied these situations and have it literally down to a science. Study and train it hard… they’ll get you in the best shape of your life. You’ll roll with skilled guys for hours a week at a time. Then it will develop into your own art form. These guys are ground specialists. The hardest part is admitting that one’s “chosen” coarse might not have a suitable response for certain situations. That’s OK. I guarantee any serious stylist who goes into BJJ with an open mind would be pleased. I use internal principles all the time. Turns out BJJ is based on structure, leverage and timing too. But athleticism, speed and power help a lot. So, at what weight and event is Black Taoist fighting? Is there a date? ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_Pina](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/ray_pina/32/242_2.png) [@Ray\_Pina](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Ray_Pina)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/18 "2008-06-24T19:46:02Z")
Watched the second video. One thing jumps out to me that I remember having drilled into my head: position before submission. Both players are grabbing for heads and limbs without securing position. Also, the structure in position. Never flat on one’s back, turned to the side, one forearm on the hip, the other across the neck, then bridge… fundamentals like that. No doubt Black Taoist can move well and has sensitivity. If he trains it I would suspect he’d be catching blue and purple belts in no time. ---
**Author:** ![MasterKiller](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/masterkiller/32/407_2.png) [@MasterKiller](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/MasterKiller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/19 "2008-06-24T19:50:37Z")
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;869488] No doubt Black Taoist can move well and has sensitivity. If he trains it I would suspect he’d be catching blue and purple belts in no time.[/QUOTE] I dunno about purples… ---
**Author:** ![1bad65](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/1bad65/32/813_2.png) [@1bad65](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/1bad65)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691/20 "2008-06-24T19:53:16Z")
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;869488]No doubt Black Taoist can move well and has sensitivity. If he trains it I would suspect he’d be catching blue and purple belts in no time.[/QUOTE] What’s your BJJ credentials? What I saw was beginner-level grappling AT MOST. And this against an opponent with little to no grappling experience either. If he goes to the ground against a decent white belt he is gonna get embarrassed. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/black-taoist-to-fight-bill-duff/43691.md?page=2)