Although I kindof agree that the Kung-Fu board should be used for kung-fu instead of CNN like headlines, I think its good that this discussion was brought up.
Although there have been many problems with China (IE. there human rights and all) its good that someone actually posted an unbiased view(A NON-RICHARD GERE view :p), of what the Tibetans are doing, and how they are antagonizing these events.
Anyways this should just blow over pretty soon. Although the police are still stationed in the areas (for the better/worse). Kinda seems like it has, but we cant really tell with the whole confusion of media.
[QUOTE=Andy Miles;848880]There is an underground students newsnetwork in China, so this isn’t from the Communist party. There is evidently a Tibetan man who planted a bomb in Cheng Du. The Tibetan quarter is sealed off and there are lots of military police everywhere. Even with the hoopla, China is still one of the safest place I have ever lived.
Something to keep in mind is that before communism Tibet had slaves and many people were servants or starving. For the most part, they like the free infrastructure and public education. They like getting educated on their own history in their own language. They like the minority scholarships to Chinese universites and they like the health care. They like the tourist industry form the rest of China that enabled them to buy luxury condos in Cheng Du. Don’t believe the hype, some Tibetans have Ipods and luxury cars. Some have high level government positions. Under the old system a large number of people lcould only look forward to being monks or slaves. The present D. (Llama) is under some dispute. They guy they have in now also has legitimate lineage from before the Qing dynasty.
The wealthy Tibetans who left are trying to restore their power base as overlords. They get hippy donations. Just as the IRA got Irish American donations.
I am not one to cast judgement on his holiness the d (Llama), but it is of course a posiblity that he is not unlike European popes of the past. Religious eaders of the past have also been known to have the same duality as the rest of us.
It has also been said that China offered him a puppet position in Tibet to milk hippies and pilgrims of cash, however, he demanded much of Sichuan and other areas who have Tibetan minorities. This is simliar to Mexico asking for Texas, Colorado and Californa because these states have Mexicans. Its not going to happen.
I think Buddhists terrorism can’t be that new. Shaolin has some pretty neat weapons.[/QUOTE]
This post makes as much sense as the the one that said former President Nixon opened the door to China in the late '70s:rolleyes: When does he think Presidents Ford and Carter served:p
Anyway, I saw a bunch of poor, very poor Tibetan kids going through the trash for food on the same street as the Chinese kids with their school uniforms walking home from school. I don’t know when you were in Tibet, and I surely not saying I know what is going on there.
people say they cant support china and such because of the human rights violations.
how different is this from what we did to the indians? we committed genocide on them, whiped out/almost whiped out species of animals. if you cant support a country that does that, move to canada.
the tibetan’s aren’t all innocent. someone posted up most were slaves or poor, which is true. China has tried to work with them.
do some research before believeing all that hippy movement crap.
how different is this from what we did to the indians? we committed genocide on them, whiped out/almost whiped out species of animals. if you cant support a country that does that, move to canada.
Our ancestors committed genocide, so we should support other countries that do the same? That’s pretty disgusting attitude.
[QUOTE=SPJ;849295] Iran crisis resolved only after Reagan came to power.
For people that did live thru the periods and reading about the stories on newspaper, books, radios, Tv like everyday.
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The Iranians released the hostages when Carter left office,maybe it was the day after? Reagan hadn’t anything to do with it they just did it as a final insult to Carter. It was sorta like the WMD of its day, everyone gave credit to Reagan and he didn’t correct it, it gave way to the Iranians were scared of him and that was why they were released. I thought that too :o But they screwed up by releasing them while still having Iranian money in our banks:p I think they were buying military planes etc. and had paid for that too before the Shaw (sp?)was forced out.
Many people still think Iraq had WMD and transferred them to Syria although Saddam couldn’t get his millions out, remember the money stuffed into trees?, couldn’t get his daughters out, couldn’t get his sons out and couldn’t get his stinkin butt out of the dirt hole but he was clever enough to get ALL the WMD out from under our noses?:rolleyes:
The only way to free Tibet is to bomb the infrastructure, send in a 150,000 armed force and give them democracy. If that doesn’t work we must stay the course until it does…ie gold fish hitting the glass with its nose over and over and over again.
[QUOTE=firepalm;848885]This is a tough issue & a tragic one but China did not invade another country & take it over as in Tibet. Tibet has been a part of China for over a thousand years, not only 50 years like Richard Gere, celebrity pawn, would have you believe. For a very short time in the early 1900s the Brits controlled Tibet and did many bad things to the Tibetan people. Tibetans have long been considered one of China’s 56 Ethnic Minority groups. China is not an innocent in this by any means but what the media in the West is not showing is the violent actions being done by Tibetans to tourists, Chinese, Hui Muslim people, etc… One of the beauties of Youtube right now is the ability to get more info then just the propaganda filtered crap that goes out on CNN.
In the very least it gives you something to think about. But then again maybe it’s just another job for the US World Police F>>K YEH! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
perhaps someday the U.S. will consider Canadians one of the U.S.'s “Ethnic minority” groups
even thou US prestige was marred by Iran revolution and hostage crisis.
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Tibetan and Han chinese shared the same DNA or genetic makeup.
the high grounds of himalaya are origins of both yellow river and yang tz river.
the tibetan people on the high grounds doing migrating agriculture. han people on the mid and down streams of the 2 rivers doing stationary agriculture.
the same rivers nurture 2 great cultures of 2 ethnic groups.
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tibet is the middle of russian moslem republics, india (used to be british india) and china.
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if not in the enclave of China, it would have been part of india or russia.
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how different is this from what we did to the indians? we committed genocide on them, whiped out/almost whiped out species of animals. if you cant support a country that does that, move to canada.
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Not to derail this thread, but the fact that Canadians call them “First Nations” instead of “Natives” or “Indians” makes the conquest of THEIR country by persons long dead somehow less severe than ours? You do realize that those who colonized Canada took territory by less-than-friendly means, right? It wasn’t quite as severe, but then again, that’s one of the advantages of trying to take over a sparsely-populated region to make it slightly more populated.
